U-Substitution for Integrating ln x / (x(1 + ln x))

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function \(\frac{\ln x}{x(1 + \ln x)}\). Participants are exploring the application of u-substitution in this context, particularly focusing on the choice of substitution and its implications on the final result.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the substitution \(u = 1 + \ln x\) and its consequences on the integral. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the resulting expression and the presence of an additional constant in the final answer.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining the nuances of the integration process and the arbitrary nature of the constant of integration. Some participants suggest that the presence of the constant '1' may not affect the validity of the solution, while others are questioning the implications of different substitution choices.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the participants' results and those found in an answer book, prompting further examination of the integration process and the definitions used in substitution.

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Homework Statement


##\displaystyle \int \frac{\ln x}{x(1 + \ln x)} dx##

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Let ##u = 1 + \ln x##, then ##\ln x = u - 1##
##\displaystyle du = \frac{1}{x}dx##
Thus, ##\displaystyle \int \frac{\ln x}{x(1 + \ln x)} dx = \int \frac{u - 1}{u} du= \int 1 - u^{-1} du = u - \ln u + C = 1 + \ln x - \ln \left | \ln x + 1\right | + C##

However, this is the wrong answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


##\displaystyle \int \frac{\ln x}{x(1 + \ln x)} dx##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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Let ##u = 1 + \ln x##, then ##\ln x = u - 1##
##\displaystyle du = \frac{1}{x}dx##
Thus, ##\displaystyle \int \frac{\ln x}{x(1 + \ln x)} dx = \int \frac{u - 1}{u} du= \int 1 - u^{-1} du = u - \ln u + C = 1 + \ln x - \ln \left | \ln x + 1\right | + C##

However, this is the wrong answer. What am I doing wrong?

Why do you think it is wrong?
 
Ray Vickson said:
Why do you think it is wrong?
Because my answer book says that the answer should be ##\ln x - \ln | \ln x + 1 | + C## I have a 1 in there, which is where the answer differs.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Because my answer book says that the answer should be ##\ln x - \ln | \ln x + 1 | + C## I have a 1 in there, which is where the answer differs.
Is not C+1 a constant?
 
ehild said:
Is not C+1 a constant?
Does that mean as my final answer I should redefine C + 1 as just C, since they are both just constants? Why did I get a 1 in the first place, while other ways of obtaining the solution don't have the 1? Such as letting u be just lnx instead of lnx + 1?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Does that mean as my final answer I should redefine C + 1 as just C, since they are both just constants? Why did I get a 1 in the first place, while other ways of obtaining the solution don't have the 1? Such as letting u be just lnx instead of lnx + 1?
When you integrate, you find one result, one primitive of the function you integrate.
Now, if the function ##f## is the the primitive you found, ##f+C## (##C## any constant) will also be a primitive. So yes, you can remove the +1, or leave it, both results are correct. Removing the +1 makes the answer somewhat more elegant, but there is nothing more to it than that.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Does that mean as my final answer I should redefine C + 1 as just C, since they are both just constants? Why did I get a 1 in the first place, while other ways of obtaining the solution don't have the 1? Such as letting u be just lnx instead of lnx + 1?

You got the '1' in the first place because YOU chose to define u as 1 + ln(x).

Anyway, why are you obsessing on this issue? It as absolutely NO importance: the constant of integration is totally arbitrary, and can be called 147.262 + K instead of C, if that is what you prefer. It can be called anything you want, and if somebody else chooses to call it something different from what you choose to call it, that is OK, too. If you use a computer algebra system to do the indefinite integral, it might not a constant of integration (but it might include your "1" if it happened to use your change-of-variable method).
 

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