UFO News: Japan's Extraterrestrial Activity

[BoomBoom]

I'm pretty sure they don't send clinically insane people into space.

Let's not forget http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/05/space.love/index.html" lady!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

...it is unfair to make a judgment on his mental state.

Actually, the objection that I have is that we have people here playing doctor. Who here is qualified to made judgements about his mental state?

Crackpot medical opinions will not be tolerated.

 

[B. Elliott]

Although not new news, Gordon Cooper, one of the astronauts involved with Project Mercury also claims that alien spacecraft have visited Earth. He states that he witnessed seeing at least a few different UFOs in this interview.

http://www.youtube.com/v/dvPR8T1o3Dc&hl

 

[gareth]

It's interesting that they (astronauts who have seen UFO's), seem to make the judgement that they are indeed alien spacecraft with another race from the far off reaches of space behind the wheel when they see a UFO.

From their interviews they seem to have just seen flying saucers, strange craft etc. They don't seem to consider the possibility that they were of earthly origin at all.

Perhaps their position in security cirlces etc. gave them the attitude of "if we did have such technology, we'd know about it!". Usually when people see a UFO from earth, their reports describe the object but they are hesitant to speculate what it is, why? Because they don't know what it is.

Any thoughts?

 

[WarPhalange]

Do they ever say where they saw these UFO's? Do foreign Astronauts claim to have seen UFO's?

I ask because I'd find it odd that there would be some sort of scheduling conflict between a very popular program, i.e. space flight, and something very top secret like testing new spacecraft . Of course, for all I know part of the test could be to fly around the world, so it would be unavoidable, or possibly other countries' secret testing, but even then, NASA doesn't keep dates of space flights like that secret, does it?

 

[gareth]

I ask because I'd find it odd that there would be some sort of scheduling conflict between a very popular program, i.e. space flight, and something very top secret like testing new spacecraft .

Good point, if they wanted to keep a new technology secret, flight tests during a heavily publicised NASA space launch is not the best time to do it I suppose.

So I guess it can be broken down to a few possibilities (assuming their testamonies are real);

1) They are indeed craft manned by ET's and they're flying around earth, trying not to shock us too much by not landing on the whitehouse lawn

2) They are of earthly origin, and been spotted by a few people doesn't really bother them

3) They are back-engineered ET craft, but for some reason don't mind being seen by NASA austronauts

Maybe this just gives rise to more questions

 

[WarPhalange]

Do they describe anywhere what it is they saw? Could be some sort of natural phenomenon.

1) They are indeed craft manned by ET's and they're flying around earth, trying not to shock us too much by not landing on the whitehouse lawn

That's one of the arguments I've heard. That ET's are trying to get people used to the idea of aliens and stuff like that so that when they do land on the White House lawn people will simply be like "Oh. Okay." instead of freaking out. Don't humans do that too when they try to get closer to some wild animals? Just gradually get closer and leave some of their stuff around so the animal get used to the smell?

 

[gareth]

Don't humans do that too when they try to get closer to some wild animals? Just gradually get closer and leave some of their stuff around so the animal get used to the smell?

That's a funny analogy! And I've heard that theory before concerning the gradual acceptance of ET life. Some people speculate that we are not 'mature' enough on the evolutionary scale to accept the idea.

But it begs the question, why not just wait? Why fly around Earth wasting your time being spotted once every few months, don't they have alien jobs to go to?

And the other question that crops up a lot, why bother with us at all? If we were an extremely technologically advanced civilisation and could travel throughout the universe, visiting other planets and races, would we bother going to a planet that are cave dwelers in comparison and slowly introduce ourselves over many years or even thousands of years? Just to say hi, your not alone in the universe, and then leave again? I suspect not, we would have better things to do.


There are a few interviews and stuff on youtube with a couple of astronauts, but from what I've heard they have just seen 'craft' which they have assumed to be intelligently controlled, flying in formation etc. But I suppose they could be natural phenomena that we don't know about yet but it's quite hard to imagine what, (enexplained changes in direction at high velocity etc).

 

[WarPhalange]

But it begs the question, why not just wait? Why fly around Earth wasting your time being spotted once every few months, don't they have alien jobs to go to?

Humans study animals all the time. Don't they have anything better to do? The fact is we can learn a lot from other life forms, so maybe these ET's are just studying us in the mean time? Humans are advanced species, but we can't just slice open a bear and tell you how the brain works. Assuming ET's are powerful enough to do that is kind of baseless.

And the other question that crops up a lot, why bother with us at all? If we were an extremely technologically advanced civilisation and could travel throughout the universe, visiting other planets and races, would we bother going to a planet that are cave dwelers in comparison and slowly introduce ourselves over many years or even thousands of years? Just to say hi, your not alone in the universe, and then leave again? I suspect not, we would have better things to do.

Again, why do humans study animals at all? We learn more about ourselves. If we invented teleportation tomorrow, we'd still have people snorkling to study fish and going to the desert to study some lizard.

The "thousands of years" part is what gets me, though. We can't be certain that cave paintings and such are depictions of space craft, but if you assume they are, everything else kind of falls apart. I don't understand why anybody would wait around for a thousand years, either.

There are a few interviews and stuff on youtube with a couple of astronauts, but from what I've heard they have just seen 'craft' which they have assumed to be intelligently controlled, flying in formation etc. But I suppose they could be natural phenomena that we don't know about yet but it's quite hard to imagine what, (enexplained changes in direction at high velocity etc).

If they don't describe what they saw, I can't take it apart. I need observations, not conclusions.

 

[DaveC426913]

If they don't describe what they saw, I can't take it apart. I need observations, not conclusions.

I'm fairly certain there's just no way a description of any detail will lead to any kind of conclusion. Either you see it for yourself, or you simply take the conclusion of the person that did see it and trust that they can critically analyze at least as well as you can.

 

[WarPhalange]

An aerospace engineer might be as good a critical thinker as a meteorologist, but if they see a red flashing object going real fast their biases will give them different answers.

That's why I'd like to know what he saw vs. what he thinks it was he saw. It's essentially a multiple-choice question. If you see something, your brain asks "What it A, B, C, or D?" and tries to find the right answer. Well, there could be E and F, but your brain just doesn't know about it, so it can't take it into account.

 

[DaveC426913]

An aerospace engineer might be as good a critical thinker as a meteorologist, but if they see a red flashing object going real fast their biases will give them different answers.

That's why I'd like to know what he saw vs. what he thinks it was he saw. It's essentially a multiple-choice question. If you see something, your brain asks "What it A, B, C, or D?" and tries to find the right answer. Well, there could be E and F, but your brain just doesn't know about it, so it can't take it into account.

Yes but his 'description' of it will be based on that same information. It's not like his description will come unprocessed, directly from his visual input...

 

[DaveC426913]

An aerospace engineer might be as good a critical thinker as a meteorologist, but if they see a red flashing object going real fast their biases will give them different answers.

That's why I'd like to know what he saw vs. what he thinks it was he saw. It's essentially a multiple-choice question. If you see something, your brain asks "What it A, B, C, or D?" and tries to find the right answer. Well, there could be E and F, but your brain just doesn't know about it, so it can't take it into account.

Yes but his 'description' of it will be based on that same information. It's not like his description will come unprocessed, directly from his visual input...

I would agree that you'd want an inexperienced civilian to avoid drawing their own conclusions - they won't have as much of a knowledge base. But a trained astronaut is very experienced at observation and critical thinking around unexpected phenomena. His life often depends on it.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

This has gotten far too speculative; esp wrt what ET would do. The rule is that we cannot discuss questions that assume an unproven premise. So, if it is proven that ET is here, then we can discuss the motives and strategy of ETs, but until then we are limited to the specific evidence for alleged UFO events, and claims of personal experience.

Also, this is a UFO news thread. A bit of exchange is fine, but if you want to discuss the psychology of UFO sightings, please start a new thread.

 

[nuby]

http://www.sciam.com/video.cfm?id=4247755A73B80E57BB1FCC316D98DE90

Is this retired astronaut credible?

 

[gareth]

not much detail there, other than that he believes it to be true,

check out this UFO report that made it into the news in Northern Ireland

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ5zEa8V9qs

 

[Ivan Seeking]

ABC continues its investigative reports.

.."UFOs: Seeing is Believing" takes a serious look at the phenomenon in today's world. The 90-minute special includes interviews with scientists searching for proof of life beyond Earth and UFO witnesses who claim aliens are already here. Building on the original Peter Jennings report in 2005, David Muir reports on new sightings, as well as NASA's current search for life on Mars.

"UFOs: Seeing is Believing," to be broadcast in HDTV, airs on a special edition of "Primetime" Tuesday, September 16 from 9:30 - 11:00 p.m. ET. [continued]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=5790432

 

[hvs]

ABC continues its investigative reports.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=5790432

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

UFO sightings lead to star role on Discovery

By CHRISTOPHER RUVO
The Intelligencer

A national organization that investigates alleged UFO sightings says it has collected titillating data during days of interviews with witnesses of supposed other-worldly aircraft over Bucks County.

While that may encourage true believers, a Franklin Institute astronomer cautioned that folks shouldn't jump to the conclusion that little green men are circling over Southeastern Pennsylvania just because unidentified objects have been glimpsed in the night skies.

John Ventre was in Bucks County this summer with a film crew from the Discovery Channel interviewing residents after a rash of UFO sightings in the area were reported to the Mutual UFO Network, a Colorado-based nonprofit that investigates sightings around the country.

Ventre, MUFON's Pennsylvania coordinator, said much of what he learned in interviews was compelling. He spoke with those who reported the approximately 45 sightings in the Bucks County area during the past three months. [continued]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09142008-1590562.html

 

[Ivan Seeking]

THE truth is out there -- and if a senior garda, a Fianna Fail politician and a pilot are to be believed, aliens are keeping a close eye on us from above.

Dramatic eye-witness testimony was heard at a conference over the weekend which, delegates were told, provided "definitive" proof of recent UFO activity in the skies around north Dublin and Meath.

Footage, filmed on a camera phone at 10.35pm on August 3 near Dunboyne was also played and replayed to over 70 delegates who attended the fifth Irish International UFO conference in Carrick-on-Shannon.

The triangular shaped image, with lights at each point, which appeared to send a red laser-type light towards earth, drew gasps of amazement from the 70 or so delegates who attended the world premiere of the footage [continued]

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/were-not-alone----politician--and-pilot--spot-ufo-1484949.html

 

[CEL]

http://www.independent.ie/national-...-politician--and-pilot--spot-ufo-1484949.html

I have not seen the film, but laser beans cannot ordinarily be seen side wise, except when smoke or dust scatters them. The phaser shots in Star Trek are nice, but not real.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

True, but to be fair, that was just an interpretation of the alleged evidence. And of course a bit of fog could account for visible beams.

One error often made by skeptics and debunkers is to discount alleged evidence based on the interpretation of events by non-scientists, rather than just the evidence. On the other hand, no video can act as proof. No matter how good, by definition, the assumption will almost always be that the video was hoaxed. Only with strong coroborating evidence do they carry any weight.

 

[gareth]

Any link to the footage yet?

Would be interesting to see it.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

You have as much information as I do. If they really have something interesting, we should see more soon.

 

[pftest]

I present to you the amazing Fianna triangle video:

http://www.realufos.net/2008/10/irish-triangle-ufo-video.html
mirror:

I think it looks a bit fake. The camera is too steady, the craft moves too smooth.

 

[gareth]

I present to you the amazing Fianna triangle video:

http://www.realufos.net/2008/10/irish-triangle-ufo-video.html
mirror:

I think it looks a bit fake. The camera is too steady, the craft moves too smooth.

ye, and the zoom seems to be pretty impressive for a camera phone

(but maybe Fianna Fail can afford nice camera phones!)

 

[CEL]

ye, and the zoom seems to be pretty impressive for a camera phone

(but maybe Fianna Fail can afford nice camera phones!)

By the way, a zoom is only effective for relatively near objects, so the UFO should be only a few kilometers away and not very big.

 

[kasse]

So what do you think of Dean Mitchell claiming aliens have been and are visiting us? Is he just a stupid nutcase?

 

[gareth]

Hold up,

The 'more info' in the youtube video reads as follows#

This is a video was on a cheap camera I found when Hiking in the Smokey Mountains.
This is all that was on it.

(edit 10-09-2008)
I can not believe how much interest this video has gotten.
To answer a few questions.
The camera was NOT a camera phone
it is a cheap picture camera with video capability. It had no sound.
It only had a 4meg card in it and the video filled the whole card.
It was found along a trail near the North Carolina/Tennessee border.
It was found before the Irish video was announced. I only put it up when I heard about that one because it sounded like the same thing.
A UFO/Paranormal researcher has the original right now. He said he will put the full higher quality video up this weekend on a website. When he does I will come back and post the link on top of this page.
I just heard back from the researcher, and he will have a full update for sure this weekend


so still no Irish UFO.....

 

[CEL]

So what do you think of Dean Mitchell claiming aliens have been and are visiting us? Is he just a stupid nutcase?

Can you provide a link for his claims?