Ultramassive Black Hole (UMB), 30 billion solar masses?

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The discussion centers around the discovery of an ultramassive black hole (UMB) estimated to be over 30 billion solar masses, utilizing gravitational lensing as a detection method. Participants explore the implications of this discovery, the potential for future findings with the upcoming Euclid mission, and the characteristics of the black hole itself, including its size and rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the black hole is one of the largest ever detected, with estimates around 30 billion solar masses, while others question whether it is the largest or just one of the largest.
  • There is mention of the gravitational lensing technique used to discover this black hole, which some participants describe as a method that could lead to the identification of many more black holes in the future.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the rotation speed of the black hole, indicating a desire for more detailed information.
  • References to the Euclid mission suggest that it may significantly increase the number of known gravitational lenses and potentially reveal thousands of hidden black holes.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the findings and the methods of measurement used in determining the size of the black hole, with some sharing links to related studies and articles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding whether the black hole is the largest or one of the largest, indicating a lack of consensus on this point. There are also differing views on the implications of the discovery and the effectiveness of the measurement methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for further information on the rotation of the black hole and the methods used for measurement, highlighting potential limitations in the current understanding.

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Readers interested in astrophysics, black hole research, and the methodologies of astronomical discoveries may find this discussion relevant.

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Paris (AFP) – One of the largest black holes ever recorded has been discovered using a new technique that could spot thousands more of the insatiable celestial monsters in the coming years, according to astronomers.

The ultramassive black hole, one of just four ever observed, is more than 30 billion times the mass of the Sun, a new study said.

It is the first black hole ever observed using a phenomenon called gravitational lensing, in which light travelling towards us from a distant galaxy appears to magnify and bend inwards, giving away the presence of a dark giant.

James Nightingale, an astronomer at the UK's Durham University and the study's lead author, told AFP the process was "similar to shining light through the base of a wine glass".
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...over-one-of-biggest-black-holes-ever-recorded

There are currently around 500 known gravitational lenses -- at least one of which we now know is a supermassive black hole.

But "the landscape is about to dramatically change," Nightingale said.

The European Space Agency's Euclid mission, planned to launch into space in July, will open a "big data era" for black hole hunters by creating a huge high resolution map of the universe, he said.

In the next six years Euclid could find 100,000 new gravitational lenses, which would potentially point towards thousands of previously hidden black holes, Nightingale added.

https://universe.nasa.gov/black-holes/types/ - didn't find this very helpful

ESA Euclid mission overview - https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Euclid_overview (to be launched July 2023)
 
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Discovered by researchers in Durham. News item below.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ultr...the-sun-discovered-by-uk-astronomers-12844649

"Lead author Dr James Nightingale, of the Department of Physics at Durham University, said: "This particular black hole, which is roughly 30 billion times the mass of our sun, is one of the biggest ever detected and on the upper limit of how large we believe black holes can theoretically become"

No link to the paper but some of the graphics in Physics Org here https://phys.org/news/2023-03-light-bending-gravity-reveals-biggest-black.html

Moderators Note: 2nd link fixed with correct URL.
 
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Is it the largest or one of the largest?
 
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