Ultrasonic crack detection in glass bottles

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The discussion revolves around the detection of cracks in glass bottles, specifically focusing on ultrasonic methodologies as an alternative to traditional vision-based systems. Participants explore the feasibility and technical aspects of using ultrasonic techniques to identify cracks before the bottling process.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that traditional vision and backlight methods are standard but may be complicated and costly due to the bottle's shape.
  • Another participant questions the shape of the bottle, indicating that visual representation could aid in understanding the challenges.
  • A participant critiques the vision and backlight approach, mentioning flaws and proposing an alternative using a laser and diode array to detect reflections or reduced transmission.
  • One participant proposes a method of supporting the bottle and tapping it to produce sound, theorizing that cracks would alter the sound characteristics, specifically the fundamental frequency and harmonics generated.
  • A later reply provides a link to an image of a bottle shape similar to the one in question, noting that the bottle has four sides, which complicates vision inspection requiring multiple cameras or a rotating mechanism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of different detection methods, with no consensus on the best approach. The discussion includes both support for ultrasonic methods and critiques of existing vision-based techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a conclusion on the effectiveness of ultrasonic detection compared to vision-based methods, and there are unresolved technical details regarding the implementation of the proposed ultrasonic techniques.

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I'm working on a project for a bottling plant that is trying to make a vision-based machine to detect cracked glass bottles before they attempt to fill them.

It seems that the vision & backlight approach is the standard way to do this in the industry, but the shape of the bottle in this application makes this a tricky/expensive machine.

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with some type of ultrasonic crack detection methodology? I'm just going on a hunch here, but I think that at least some cracks should change the resonate frequency of a bottle enough to detect the change..
 
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Can you provide a pic of the bottle's shape?
 
dc878787 said:
vision & backlight approach
Shows a lot of flaws --- laser plus beam expander (cylindrical lens in front of laser level light source) and a diode array looking for reflections, or reduced transmission.
 
Support a bottle by one point, say by the cap, then tap the bottle so it rings like a bell at a fundamental frequency. If there is a fracture in a bottle it will sound dull and generate a short burst of harmonics of the fundamental frequency. I expect the harmonics generated to be even because the crack opens for part of the cycle but is closed on the other half cycle. With a good bottle the ringing will continue for longer at the fundamental frequency and there will be less 2'nd harmonic generated.
 
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