Ultrasound Scans of teeth instead of x-ray?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential use of ultrasound scans for dental imaging as an alternative to traditional X-rays. Participants explore the feasibility, advantages, and limitations of using ultrasound in this context, touching on aspects of technology, resolution, and safety.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that ultrasound could replace X-rays in dentistry, highlighting the absence of ionizing radiation and the possibility of using water to facilitate imaging.
  • Another participant raises concerns about potential resonance issues and the risk of damaging teeth due to high-frequency vibrations.
  • A participant questions the resolution capabilities of ultrasound compared to X-rays, noting that ultrasound may not effectively image small cavities due to its lower resolution.
  • It is mentioned that ultrasound typically struggles to penetrate bone, leading to poor imaging quality, as reflections at the tissue/bone interface limit the detection of internal structures.
  • Some participants discuss the limited applications of ultrasound in bone imaging, primarily focusing on bone density measurements rather than detailed imaging.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential risk of damage to the middle or inner ear from ultrasound, although some participants assert that conventional imaging levels are unlikely to cause harm.
  • One participant expresses a desire to gather images of teeth taken with ultrasound for academic purposes, indicating ongoing interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and safety of using ultrasound for dental imaging, with no consensus reached on its practicality or effectiveness compared to X-rays.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the resolution of ultrasound for small dental structures, the effects of ultrasound on different tissues, and the overall effectiveness of ultrasound in imaging hard tissues like bone.

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Hello.

I took a course in Ultrasound and I wonder why dentists don't use that instead of X-ray.

The patient only need to fill his/hers mouth with water and then it is possible to use Ultrasound Scans in the mouth of the patient without any jonisating radiation.

It could even be possible to use under a drilling if the dentist look at the Ultrasound Scans screen.
It is possible to scan metall with ultrasound.
Maybe it has to be in contact directly with the tooth to be able to get enough signal into the tooth becouse of reflections?

Why can't it be done?


Regards Magi
 
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I'm inclined to suspect that there might be resonance problems, but that's only because I've experienced bad toothaches caused by high-frequency vibrations. Still, that should be tuneable. I wonder if there might also be the possibility of teeth exploding if the pulp reacts to the sound (like popcorn).
 
I suspect it's a resolution issue. What is the wavelength of the ultrasound instrument that you would use? What is the resolution of present X-ray film at the 1:1 magnification used in dental X-rays?

Also, I believe that ultrasound works best for soft tissues -- I haven't seen it used for bone scans before...is it used for bone?
 
Same reason ultrasound isn't used to image bones. you get plenty of reflection of the ultrasound energy at the tissue/bone interface, but very little transmission into the bone. That means there's little to no sound energy reflecting back from any boundaries within the bone for the transducer to detect.

In addition, ultrasound images are generally formed by assuming a constant sound velocity in tissue (~1540 m/s). While not strictly true for all tissue types, it's reasonably close. The speed of sound in bone however is much higher. The ultrasound machine has no a priori way of knowing what reflections come from what objects, so you end up with a highly distorted image.

The other problem is resolution. Ultrasound isn't really capable of great resolution, usually things larger than 3-4 mm or so. Cavities in teeth are a heck of a lot smaller than that, and by the time they're large enough to be detectable by ultrasound, it means a major procedure for the dentist to repair. Dental films on the other hand can resolve objects less than 0.5mm in size, so the dentist can find smaller cavities and do less drilling to repair them.
 
berkeman said:
I haven't seen it used for bone scans before...is it used for bone?

The only application of ultrasound to bone I'm aware of is in measuring bone density. There are a few ultrasound based bone density units that measure sound transmission through bone (usually the heel) to quantify bone mineral density. AFAIK, there are no ultrasound bone imaging applications except maybe to characterize lesions that might be found in trabecular bone.
 
Would there not also be the possibility of damage to the middle or inner ear?
 
kleinjahr said:
Would there not also be the possibility of damage to the middle or inner ear?

I measured bone density with ultra sound at my university when I took the course ultrasound and when using scanning equipment there is no possibility to damage your ear what I read.

But No one can ever be 100 % sure.

You can die if drinking to much water too. :)
 
kleinjahr said:
Would there not also be the possibility of damage to the middle or inner ear?
at the energies used in conventional imaging ultrasound, there's little possibility of damaging anything.
 
trying t gether p[citures of teeth under ultrasound

im studying for an m phil in 3 mnths and I am looking for images of teeth taken with ultrasound and any info that anyone has about this.THANX
 
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