Uncertainty in wavelength and position

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The forum discussion centers on calculating the uncertainty in position and wavelength using the de-Broglie wavelength formula and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The initial calculation yielded an unreasonably small value of ##Δx = 7.96 × 10^{-22} m##, prompting clarification on the correct interpretation of the uncertainty in wavelength, specifically ##\Delta \lambda = 10^{-4}##. The correct answer should be ##Δx = 7.96 \times 10^{-12} m = 0.0796 A##, indicating a significant error in the initial calculation due to misunderstanding the term "one part in ##10^4##".

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Wavelengths can be measured with accuracies of one part in 10⁴. What is the uncertainty in the position of a 1A X-Ray photon when its wavelength is simultaneously measured?
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##ΔxΔp>=\frac {\hbar} 2##
In my attempt to solve the problem, I used the formula for de-Broglie wavelength ##p=\frac h λ## and differentiated both sides to get ##Δp = \frac {hΔλ} {λ^2}##.

Plugging this equation into the Heisenberg's position and momentum uncertainty principle formula and calculating the minimum uncertainty in momentum, I got

##Δx=\frac {\hbarλ^2} {2hΔλ} = 7.96 × 10^{-22} m##

The solution looks toο small to me. I am not sure if the value of ##Δλ## is ##10^{-4}## which I used in the calculation. I am not quite sure what one part in ##10^4## means for the uncertainty in λ.
 
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You are given that ##\dfrac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=\dfrac{1}{10^4}##. Did you use that in your equation for ##\Delta x##?
 
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kuruman said:
You are given that ##\dfrac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=\dfrac{1}{10^4}##. Did you use that in your equation for ##\Delta x##?

No, I used ##Δλ = 10^{-4}##. I was confused what accuracy of one part in ##10^4## meant.

The answer should be ##7.96 \times 10^{-12}m = 0.0796 A## then.

Thanks for the help!
 
Saptarshi Sarkar said:
Plugging this equation into the Heisenberg's position and momentum uncertainty principle formula and calculating the minimum uncertainty in momentum, I got

##Δx=\frac {\hbarλ^2} {2hΔλ} = 7.96 × 10^{-22} m##

The solution looks toο small to me. I am not sure if the value of ##Δλ## is ##10^{-4}## which I used in the calculation. I am not quite sure what one part in ##10^4## means for the uncertainty in λ.

I think you may have taken ##\Delta \lambda = 10^4m## there!

"One part in ##10^4##" means ##0.01 \%##
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
No, I used ##Δλ = 10^{-4}##. I was confused what accuracy of one part in ##10^4## meant.

The answer should be ##7.96 \times 10^{-12}m = 0.0796 A## then.

Thanks for the help!
Considering that this is an order of magnitude calculation, I would go with 0.08 A to one significant figure.
 
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting ##10^4## larger?
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting ##10^4## larger?

I agree, ##\lambda^2 = 10^{-20}m, \ \Delta \lambda = 10^{-14}m##, which leads to ##\approx \frac{1}{12} \times 10^{-6}m \approx 8 \times 10^{-8}m##
 
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I think this is just a calculator error. It helps if you remember what @kuruman said in post 2 and simplify your expression for ##\Delta##x algebraicly before putting in numbers.
 

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