Uncovering the Mystery of Bullet Flight: Investigating the Helix Theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of bullets during flight, specifically exploring the concept of a helical flight path and its implications for accuracy at long distances. Participants examine various factors affecting bullet stability, including static and dynamic stability, as well as the influence of rifling and muzzle velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that bullets may experience a helical flight path due to initial instability, which could lead to improved accuracy at longer ranges.
  • Others argue that the helical flight path is not necessarily an indication of instability and is experienced by all bullets, suggesting it may contribute to accuracy.
  • A participant outlines three variables of bullet stability: static stability, dynamic stability, and tractability, emphasizing the importance of bullet spin and shape.
  • It is noted that the yaw induced at the muzzle can affect bullet behavior, but this does not inherently indicate instability.
  • Some participants mention that empirical experiments and aerodynamic theory support the understanding of bullet stability, though specific scientific articles are not provided.
  • There is a discussion about the transitional state of a bullet as it exits the muzzle, where yaw and the helical path are induced, and how this relates to bullet design, such as rebated boat tail bullets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the helical flight path for bullet stability and accuracy. While some agree on the existence of a helical path, there is no consensus on its effects or the underlying mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific scientific articles referenced in the discussion and the complexity of the aerodynamic theories involved, which may not be easily accessible to all participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying ballistics, firearms engineering, or anyone involved in long-range shooting who seeks to understand the physics behind bullet flight behavior.

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I have been involved in a discussion concerning the behavior of a bullet during flight. It seems there are long distance shooters who expirence a better MOA at 300+ yards than at 100 yards. The theory pit forth is that when a bullet leaves the muzzle, it is not stable in its flight. This lack of stability causes the bullet to fly in a helix type pattern. This helix occurs around the "true" trajectory. Over time, as the initial velocity decreases the bullet settles into a proper spin, or what these distance shooters refer to as "goes to sleep". Is this possible? If so, where might I find some scientific articles, or other types of research I may be able to read?

Thanks in advance for your response.
 
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I believe a long range shot will pull to the right with right-hand rifling, and to the left with left-hand rifling. I also recall that the coriolis force "pushes" the bullet to the right in the northern hemisphere. Some guns and cannons have left-hand rifling to improve accuracy in the northern hemisphere. Google " coriolis force left-hand-twist rifling"

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[added] The coriolis force of course doesn't "push" the bullet; the Earth rotates underneath.
 
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There are three separate variables that describe a bullet's stability:

  • static stability — also called gyroscopic stability; a bullet stable in this regime will not tumble as it flies through the air, and is primarily dependent on angular velocity, i.e. bullet spin. This is why rifling twist and muzzle velocity is important for accuracy.
  • dynamic stability — as the bullet exits the muzzle, an angle of yaw is induced, which for a dynamically stable bullet is dampened over time, and is primarily dependent on bullet shape. An easily recognised characteristic of a yawing bullet is that the entry wound is elliptic rather than circular. NOTE: The presence of yaw does not necessarily indicate instability.
  • tractability — a bullet that is tractable is able to turn along and follow its trajectory, i.e. if fired at an angle, the bullet will be able to turn its nose down when the trajectory begins to descend. An intractable bullet will travel base first.

http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/stab.htm
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/fig12.htm
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/fig21.htm

The helical flight path is not an indication of instability, and is experienced by all bullets. It may be what makes it easier for them to shoot with greater accuracy at longer ranges. However, for most properly designed bullets the yaw usually becomes insignificant at around 5000 calibres, for a 9 mm bullet, this would be a distance of 45 m (or 49 yd).

It is also worth noting that velocity is not the primary factor, but radial rotation, i.e. spin. Muzzle velocity is important because it determines bullet spin, however, once the bullet is spinning, the angular velocity decreases far more slowly than the bullet velocity. So velocity is not that important during flight, as long as the bullet is statically stable at the muzzle, one can assume it to be stable for the rest of the flight.
 
Thanks for the responses!

The helical flight path is not an indication of instability, and is experienced by all bullets. It may be what makes it easier for them to shoot with greater accuracy at longer ranges.
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how do we know this? This helical path is at the core of the debate. It is said by shooters to cause the increased accuracy at longer ranges. This is the core of the debate. I like to see any scientific articles related to research on this.
 
As the bullet leaves the muzzle, it is in a transitional state, where it no longer is inside the bore but still being propelled - and otherwise affected - by the escaping gases. This transitional state is where yaw and the helical path is induced. It is also worth noting that this is why rebated boat tail bullets are more accurate and regarded as superior to flat or boat tail bullets. Rebated boat tail bullets can also gain up to 10% in muzzle velocity.

The dynamic stability is primarily dependent on bullet shape and construction:
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/dynacond.htm

As I said, for a dynamically stable bullet, this helical path and angle of yaw is dampend over time, so it will be the highest at the muzzle. For a dynamically unstable bullet the helical path and angle of yaw increases, and it may or may not be the lowest at the muzzle.

This is know through empirical experiments and rather advanced aerodynamic theory and calculations. I don't have any scientific papers that describe bullet stability in great detail, so you'll have to find that on your own. Such advanced topics might be difficult to find on the net though. It would be better to go to your library, ask professors/teachers are some university, or try to find books which describe ballistics in greater detail.
 
Thank you very much! I'll keep looking, all of your responses have been very helpful!
 

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