Under what conditions can glass crack spontaneously?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the conditions under which glass, specifically a car's rear windshield, can crack spontaneously. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding potential causes, including temperature differences, impacts, and manufacturing flaws, while considering the context of the incident described.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the significant temperature difference between the inside and outside of the car could lead to spontaneous cracking.
  • Others suggest that an unnoticed impact, possibly from a small object or even a meteorite, could have caused the glass to crack.
  • A few participants propose that earlier, unnoticed damage could have created stress in the glass, leading to a later catastrophic failure.
  • Some argue that toughened glass is prone to sudden failure after minor damage, which may have occurred long before the visible crack appeared.
  • There are suggestions that external factors, such as temperature gradients and vibrations from the car's movement, could contribute to the failure of the glass.
  • Some participants speculate about the possibility of gunfire as a cause, while others dismiss the idea of spontaneous failure, emphasizing that glass does not typically crack without some form of impact or stress.
  • Concerns are raised about manufacturing flaws and how internal stresses in tempered glass could lead to unexpected failures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the cause of the windshield's cracking. Some believe it was likely due to an impact, while others consider the possibility of spontaneous failure or manufacturing flaws.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the history of the car and previous damage may be relevant factors, but these details are not fully explored. The discussion highlights the complexity of factors that could lead to glass failure, including environmental stresses and potential unnoticed impacts.

  • #31
davenn said:
EDIT ... but they are OK on Chrome :smile:
And Firefox.
 
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  • #32
davenn said:
none of your videos nor their links are showing ... nothing to watch
I can view them on Microsoft Edge, Chrome and Firefox. It could be that your browser's video codec crashed. You might want to try closing and re-opening your browser. And if that doesn't work, maybe reboot the computer.
 
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  • #33
davenn said:
Tis dark here at the moment ... will post a pic in the new day
OK a couple of images
I have drawn a parallel trace beside the crack. Note the crack is a single crack ... there is no splaying out of cracks as seen in post #24
and also obvious, there is no shattering. I have looked very closely and cannot identify any impact site.

First image is the left hand side of the crack (out towards the centre of the windscreen
where my trace turns black is where it continues into the next pic.
IMAG0628sm.jpg


image #2
right side of the crack. it continues right to the rubber window seal. you can see that this section of the crack is just a very smooth
"S" shape

IMAG0627sm.jpg
Dave
 

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  • #34
That's a front screen so most likely it a laminated screen which behaves very differently to toughened glass. Did the crack start at the edge? If so it could be edge damage caused before screen even fitted to the car.
 
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davenn said:
I have drawn a parallel trace beside the crack. Note the crack is a single crack ... there is no splaying out of cracks as seen in post #24 ...

Cracks at inspection label.jpg


Some of these lines may be crinkles in the label, but others look suspiciously line small cracks in the windshield. If they are, did the major crack occur shortly after the inspection sticker was applied? Could the mechanic have been a wee bit ham-handed?
 

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  • #36
Asymptotic said:
Some of these lines may be crinkles in the label, but others look suspiciously line small cracks in the windshield.
Follow the paralleled white line that I drew on the image just below the crack ... that is the ONLY crack in the glass ... a single clean curved crack
That label has been on since the car was manufactured 5-5.5 yrs ago the cracks in it is because of the hot Aussie summers often exceeding 40C

To the left of this nice smooth curved section is the more meandering crack that expands in little bursts every few days or so
that is shown in the first image in my previous postDave
 
  • #37
As @CWatters mentioned, the front windshield is usually made from a different process than other car windows. The front windshield is usually not tempered, and instead made from laminated glass. Laminated glass is made by sandwiching plastic in between two sheets of non-tempered glass.

There's good reason for that. If the front windshield was tempered glass and did shatter, it would heavily obstruct the view in front of the driver. Therefore, laminated glass makes the better choice for this window (or windshield). When it does crack, the cracks are typically isolated, clean cracks rather than the spiderweb pattern of tempered glass. 'Makes it much easier to see through when cracks happen. Additionally, any debris that hits the windshield might only break the outer layer (of the laminated glass) and not puncture through the window and hit the driver who is in control of the vehicle.
 
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  • #38
collinsmark said:
The front windshield is usually not tempered, and instead made from laminated glass. Laminated glass is made by sandwiching plastic in between two sheets of non-tempered glass.

yup, that appears to be the way these days ... but it wasn't always like that ..
collinsmark said:
There's good reason for that. If the front windshield was tempered glass and did shatter, it would heavily obstruct the view in front of the driver.

and I have been in that situation a few times in years gone by ... down the road at 100km/h and boom, zero visibility ... not fun!
 
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