Impact on glass and consequences of said impact

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the impact of a small rock or pebble on a car windshield, specifically exploring the mechanics of how such an impact can create different types of damage, such as a clean hole versus a star-like crack. Participants are examining the conditions under which these different damage patterns occur, including the speed and angle of the projectile, as well as the properties of automotive glass.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience with a windshield crack that appeared after driving by a lawn mower, questioning if a pebble could cause a small, clean hole without creating a star-like crack.
  • Another participant explains that automotive glass is a composite material, suggesting that the properties of tempered glass may influence how cracks form.
  • A participant agrees that a small pebble could create a clean hole rather than a star-like crack, but suggests that the terminology should differentiate between a "chip" and a "hole." They express uncertainty about what factors contribute to the cleanliness of the damage.
  • Another participant speculates that the angle of impact may affect whether the damage is clean or messy, noting that the direction and speed of the pebble's trajectory could play a role.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a small pebble can cause a clean hole in the windshield, but there is no consensus on the specific factors that determine the nature of the damage. Multiple competing views on the mechanics of impact and damage characteristics remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors such as the mass and composition of the projectile, the angle of impact, and the properties of the windshield glass, but these aspects remain unresolved and are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to automotive safety enthusiasts, materials science students, and individuals curious about the mechanics of glass damage.

El Psy Congroo
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Hello everyone!

I happen to read this forum a lot, but I've never posted/became a member since I didn't have a specific question that wasn't already asked before or because I did not feel I had anything relatively original to contribute. So, I have a question to which I cannot seem to find an answer to and hope that someone with the knowledge can answer it.

So my situation is as follows:

I am driving down a road at about 40 mph when suddenly a small crack on my windshield appeared. The crack then spread to about 6-8 inches within minutes. Someone was cutting the grass using an edge trimmer on the sidewalk where I drove by.

I would like to know if it is possible for a small, smooth pebble/rock to be propelled from the ground with the weed-eater at a fast enough speed to make a small, clean hole a few mm in length without having a star-like-crack effect on the glass, and only perforating the first glass layer of the windshield? Conversely. if the same rock was flying at much lower speed, would that then cause a messier/star-like crack instead of a clean little hole? Additionally, only the first outer layer of the windshield is damaged.

My take on it, is that it is definitely possible for this to happen, because if you look close enough, the rock seems to have made a bit of an "oscillation/ripple" effect as it was leaving the area of impact in the direction it was heading. I believe the rock came from the right side (from the driver's perspective), and headed off toward the left side (again from the driver's perspective).

What's your take on this situation?
 
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Automotive (safety) glass is a composite material- layers of tempered glass separated by a plastic film. What you observe us likely due to the tempered glass- the residual stress energy means cracks form very easily.
 
El Psy Congroo said:
I would like to know if it is possible for a small, smooth pebble/rock to be propelled from the ground with the weed-eater at a fast enough speed to make a small, clean hole a few mm in length without having a star-like-crack effect on the glass, and only perforating the first glass layer of the windshield?
Definitely, although I would probably call anything that didn't perforate through all the layers a "chip" rather than a "hole".

Regarding whether the initial damage is clean or messy, I am not sure what causes that. I would think that lots of details are involved including the mass and composition of the projectile.
 
I am no expert either, but love to speculate...

...I was going to say that the clean-cut vs star-like scratch probably has to do with the angle of impact or in other words, the component of the velocity perpendicular to the plane of the windshield...if you are driving along the side walk and a pebble is launched by the lawn mower, chances are the impact is going to come from a rather small angle with the pebble almost going by sideways...as opposed to be driving on the highway and hitting a pebble that has been lifted into the air right in front you, this is more of a frontal impact.
 
As expected--good responses guys, gave me a bit to think about. Thank you!
 

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