Undergraduate Research Paper: Physics & Differences

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The discussion revolves around the nature and expectations of undergraduate research papers in physics, comparing them to master's research papers. Participants explore the requirements, goals, and characteristics of such papers, as well as what constitutes a publishable work for undergraduates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the nature of an undergraduate research paper can vary significantly based on whether it is a course requirement, part of a research project, or a degree requirement.
  • There is a viewpoint that if the goal is to publish real science, the peer reviewers are indifferent to the author's educational level, focusing instead on the quality of the research.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of connecting with a mentor to find a suitable project that aligns with the undergraduate's skills and interests.
  • Another participant questions what constitutes a publishable paper, suggesting it typically involves novel and interesting results, but acknowledges that "interesting" can be subjective.
  • Several examples of potential research topics are provided, including novel experiments, educational applications, and testing product specifications, indicating a variety of approaches that undergraduates might take.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of standardization in undergraduate research papers, with some participants noting that many institutions do not require such papers for graduation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the requirements and characteristics of undergraduate research papers, indicating that there is no consensus on a standard definition or expectation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of what makes a paper publishable.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the variability of institutional requirements and the subjective nature of what constitutes "interesting" research. There are also unresolved questions about the standards for publishable work among undergraduates.

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What is an Undergraduate research paper? What would be an undergraduate research paper in Physics be like? How is this paper different from Masters research paper?
 
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That depends. If the goal is a course requirement (capstone, research course, etc.) then you need to pay attention to the course requirements. I'd get the requirements from the course professor and also try and get some exemplar papers from past years.

If the goal is to publish real science, then the peer reviewers won't know or care that you are an undergrad, grad student, or PhD. Usually if you can accomplish something really publishable as an undergrad, the course prof for an undergrad research course will be pleased.

Either way, the challenge is connecting with a mentor in a field you like who can empower you to find a worthwhile project you like that is a good fit with your skillset to give you a big chance of success. As an undergrad, you should focus on finding an interesting and relevant problem that you can address with the available skills and resources.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
If the goal is to publish real science, then the peer reviewers won't know or care that you are an undergrad, grad student, or PhD. Usually if you can accomplish something really publishable as an undergrad, the course prof for an undergrad research course will be pleased.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but in your opinion what constitutes a publishable paper (what would an undergrad need to accomplish) ?
 
Gurasees said:
What is an Undergraduate research paper? What would be an undergraduate research paper in Physics be like? How is this paper different from Masters research paper?

This is extremely vague.

1. Is this paper something that is part of a research that you did? If it is, then you should be asking your research supervisor.

2. Is this paper part of a course? If it is, then you should be asking the instructor of the course.

3. Is this paper part of your undergraduate degree requirement? If it is, then you should be asking your academic advisor!

There is nothing "standard" here. So I could give you an advice, and it may end up to be totally worthless and irrelevant for your situation. Each school sets its own requirement and guidelines. In most schools in the US, an "undergraduate research paper" isn't a requirement for graduation. So not only is there no standard, there is also no requirement in many cases.

That is why I stated that your question is vague.

Zz.
 
sakonpure6 said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but in your opinion what constitutes a publishable paper (what would an undergrad need to accomplish) ?

Usually, it is a novel and interesting result in either theory or experiment that is more likely than not to be correct.

"Novel" is a bit easier to understand objectively: it means the same result has not been published previously.

"Interesting" is more subjective. Often in the search for "novel," scientists (including undergrads) go off into the weeds, because accessible theory and experiments that have not been previously published are more likely in areas where no one has cared enough to work very hard. This tends to make them less "interesting."

As mentors of a lot of undergrad (and high school) research, we've found that there are several niches that work well:

Inventing new instruments and techniques (or revisiting usefulness of existing ones with faster/cheaper technology)
Device for Underwater Laboratory Simulation of Unconfined Blast Waves
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1506/1506.02986.pdf

Shock Tube Design for High Intensity Blast Waves for Laboratory Testing of Armor and Combat Materiel
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1501/1501.07813.pdf

A More Accurate Fourier Transform
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.01832.pdf

Accurate Measurements of Free Flight Drag Coefficients with Amateur Doppler Radar
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1608/1608.06500.pdf

Measuring Barrel Friction in the 5.56mm NATO
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA555779

Bullet Retarding Forces in Ballistic Gelatin by Analysis of High Speed Video
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.5215.pdf


Novel experiments that are interesting because of environmental applications
Terminal Performance of Lead-Free Pistol Bullets in Ballistic Gelatin Using Retarding Force Analysis from High Speed Video
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1604/1604.01000.pdf


Performance testing of lead free primers: blast waves, velocity variations, and environmental testing
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1410/1410.6390.pdf


High-speed measurement of firearm primer blast waves
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.2701.pdf


Evidence for Magnetoreception in Red Drum (Sciaenops ocellatus), Black Drum (Pogonias cromis), and Sea Catfish (Ariopsis felis)
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1511/1511.09302.pdf


Novel experiments that are interesting because of educational applications
Studying the Internal Ballistics of a Combustion Driven Potato Cannon using High-speed Video
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.0966.pdf


Measuring Deflagration Velocity in Oxy-Acetylene with High-Speed Video
http://chemeducator.org/bibs/0016001/16110279.htm

An Acoustic Demonstration of Galileo's Law of Falling Bodies
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1102/1102.1635.pdf

Echo-based measurement of the speed of sound
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1102/1102.2664.pdf

Finding mistakes in published papers and writing comments pointing them out
Comments on “Analysis of permanent magnets as elasmobranch bycatch reduction devices in hook-and-line and longline trials”
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1310/1310.5910.pdf

Errors in Length-weight Parameters at FishBase.org
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1104/1104.5216.pdf

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Publishes Misleading Information on Gulf of Mexico “Dead Zone”
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1306/1306.5366.pdf

Predictions Wrong Again on Dead Zone Area - Gulf of Mexico Gaining Resistance to Nutrient Loading
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1307/1307.8064.pdf

Review/hypothesis papers bringing together different fields that are clearly related, but not well connected in the literature
Nutrient Loading Increases Red Snapper Production in the Gulf of Mexico
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1306/1306.5114.pdf

Review of Magnetic Shark Deterrents: Hypothetical Mechanisms and Evidence for Selectivity
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1501/1501.07158.pdf

Testing products to compare measured values with product specifications or claims
Testing Estes Thrust Claims for the A10-PT Rocket motor
http://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/RocketsMagazine/Issue0031/Sample.pdf

Comparing Measured Fluorocarbon Leader Breaking Strength with Manufacturer Claims
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.5260.pdf

More Inaccurate Specifications of Ballistic Coefficients
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a555975.pdf

Comparing Advertised Ballistic Coefficients with Independent Measurements
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554683.pdf

There is a very deep well of potential projects testing physical specifications of all manner of products.

In physics, most interest may be testing specifications of laboratory equipment. Odds are pretty good there is also considerable interest testing specifications of equipment marketed for educational labs. How accurate is that force sensor, thermometer, etc? Every sensor in the Vernier catalog is a potential project.

Testing validity of commonly used equations with little published data supporting how they are used
Most equations in science have some area of applicability where they have been validated as accurate. But over time, usage often expands far beyond the "fine print" relating to the assumptions and conditions where the equations are valid. Experimental tests of these equations to explore their validity in areas of ongoing application can be of great interest.

A Test of the Acoustic Impedance Model of Blast Wave Transmission [in air]
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274705917_A_Test_of_the_Acoustic_Impedance_Model_of_Blast_Wave_Transmission

Experimental Test of the Acoustic-Impedance Model for Underwater Blast Wave Transmission through Plate Materials

http://ascelibrary.org/doi/abs/10.1061/(ASCE)EM.1943-7889.0001202

Experimental Tests of the Proportionality of Aerodynamic Drag to Air Density for Supersonic Projectiles

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1510/1510.07336.pdf

Altitude Dependence of Rocket Motor Performance
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA571357

This is probably the niche that requires the most background work and guidance from a mentor to identify, because the idea to test how the formula is being used usually originates with the recognition of an ABSENCE of supporting data. Gaining confidence that there is really an absence of supporting data in the literature requires an extremely thorough background literature search. But note that in 3 or 4 of the cases above, the new (and relatively simple) experimental result showed that the application of the well-known formula was inappropriate. Formulas without supporting data are wrong a lot of the time.

Note, that our niches seldom include significant advances in FUNDAMENTAL physics. The skills and resources are often outside of the scope of abilities of undergrads. But there is a lot of good and solid science to be done in the niches we find useful. Most of the discussion among my physics colleagues would not center on whether these papers are "publishable" (since they are all published), but on whether they are "physics" of the sort suitable for undergrad research. Each institution sets their own standards on that.
 
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