Underpinnings of conservation of energy/mass

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy and mass, emphasizing the 1st law of thermodynamics as a well-established principle with no known exceptions. It highlights that conservation of energy is mathematically linked to Noether's Theorem, while conservation of momentum and angular momentum are derived from the invariance of physical laws over time, position, and direction, respectively. The conversation also points out that conservation of mass is less robust, particularly illustrated by nuclear reactions where mass appears to be lost. The implications of potential exceptions to these conservation laws could significantly alter our understanding of physics.

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  • 1st Law of Thermodynamics
  • Noether's Theorem
  • Principles of Conservation of Momentum
  • Understanding of Nuclear Reactions
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I understand the 1st law of thermodynamics developed as a generalization based on experimental observations, in that an exception has yet to be found in thousands of situations, so it is considered to hold true in all possible situations.
If that is how it developed, is there any other theory or formula which can only hold true if there is no exception to the conservation of energy/mass? If someone does actually prove an exception, what will be the implication (if any) for the rest of what we know about physics?
 
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I understand the 1st law of thermodynamics developed as a generalization based on experimental observations, in that an exception has yet to be found in thousands of situations, so it is considered to hold true in all possible situations.
If that is how it developed, is there any other theory or formula which can only hold true if there is no exception to the conservation of energy/mass? If someone does actually prove an exception, what will be the implication (if any) for the rest of what we know about physics?
Conservation of energy is also a mathematical consequence of Noether's Theorem and the assumption that the laws of physics are invariant over time (the same now as they were yesterday and will be tomorrow).

Similarly, conservation of momentum follows from the assumption that the laws of physics are invariant over position (same here as they are over there). Conservation of angular momentum follows from the assumption that the laws of physics are invariant with respect to direction (same if one looks one way or if one looks another).

Conservation of mass is not on an equally firm footing. Although energy is conserved, mass (if computed as the sum of the masses of the particles making up a system) is not precisely conserved. The classic example of mass non-conservation in this sense is in a nuclear bomb where the mass of a Uranium atom is greater than the sum of the masses of the remaining pieces after it splits.
 
Conservation of Mass and Energy is a theory. You can use it to make predictions, and so far when such predictions are made, those predictions have proved out. This can be said for all good theories.

As Physics advances, what were held as good theories are sometimes found to be limited. For example, e=mc^2 put a wrinkle in the original conservation of energy theory. Newton's Laws took a hit with the discovery of relativity.
 

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