Understanding a Time Integral for x1 and x2

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The discussion revolves around understanding a time integral related to a system of differential equations involving two functions, x1(t) and x2(t). Participants explore the integration process and the implications of the derivatives provided, seeking clarity on the solution method and the evaluation of the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Mike presents the differential equations x1'(t) = 0 and x2'(t) = tx1(t), expressing confusion about the integration process.
  • One participant suggests that Mike's solution appears correct but could be simplified by using different variable names (x and y) for clarity.
  • The same participant explains that since x' = 0, x must be a constant, leading to a simplified form for y after substitution.
  • Another participant notes that the integral is evaluated from t0 to t and emphasizes that definite integrals are not necessary for this problem.
  • Mike expresses gratitude for the clarification and indicates that the responses have been helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the integration approach, though there is some confusion regarding the notation and the necessity of definite integrals. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the best way to present the solution due to differing views on notation.

Contextual Notes

There are no initial conditions provided in the discussion, which may affect the completeness of the solutions presented. The conversation also highlights potential confusion arising from the use of subscripts in the original equations.

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Hello everyone.

Iam trying to get my head around a solution for an integral but I can't figure out how its done.

I have given the following :

x1'(t) = 0
x2'(t) =tx1(t)

Where " ' " indicates the derivative.

Talking the time integral the result is given by:

x1(t) = x1(t0)
x2(t) = x2(t0) + 1/2(t^2-t0^2)x1(t0)

It would be great if anyone could help me out or give me a hint.

Cheers,

Mike
 
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MikeSv said:
Hello everyone.

Iam trying to get my head around a solution for an integral but I can't figure out how its done.

I have given the following :

x1'(t) = 0
x2'(t) =tx1(t)

Where " ' " indicates the derivative.

Talking the time integral the result is given by:

x1(t) = x1(t0)
x2(t) = x2(t0) + 1/2(t^2-t0^2)x1(t0)

It would be great if anyone could help me out or give me a hint.

Cheers,

Mike
Your solution looks fine to me, although it's more complicated than it needs to be with all the subscripts.
For simplicity in writing, I'm going to rephrase your problem:

x' = 0
y' = tx

Here, both x and y are functions of t.

Since x' = 0, then ##x = k_1##, for some constant ##k_1##. After substitution into the second equation, you get
##y = \frac 1 2 k_1t^2 + k_2##
It's always a good idea to verify that your solution actually works, by substituting back into the original system of equations.

Since there are no initial conditions given (or at least shown here), we're done.

Note that this is a very simple system of differential equations, one that can be "uncoupled" by substitution. More complicated systems, in which each derivative is in terms of the other function, require much more complicated techniques.
 
Hi and thanks for the replyI guess I just got confused by the subsribts.
And if I see correctly the integral is evaluated from t0 to t.

Cheers,

Mike
 
MikeSv said:
I guess I just got confused by the subsribts.
And if I see correctly the integral is evaluated from t0 to t.
No need to use definite integrals.
##x'(t) = 0 \Rightarrow x(t) = \int 0 dt = k_1##
##y'(t) = t k_1 \Rightarrow y(t) = k_1 \int t~ dt = \frac 1 2 k_1 t^2 + k_2##

Of course, since the problem is in terms of x1 and x2, the solutions should be as well.
 
Thank you so much for clarifying!
This helped a lot,!

Cheers,

Mike
 

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