Understanding Alcohol Ignition: The Science and Percentage Explained

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which alcohol, specifically ethanol in solutions like vodka, ignites when exposed to an external flame. Participants explore the relationship between alcohol concentration and ignition, including the specific percentage thresholds for flammability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a basic explanation of the ignition percentage for alcohol, specifically questioning why vodka at 40% alcohol does not ignite easily.
  • Another participant asserts that vodka can ignite if the proper conditions are met, indicating that ignition is not solely dependent on the alcohol percentage.
  • A participant references a document that provides flash points for ethanol-water solutions, noting that solutions below about 20% ethanol typically do not ignite at room temperature, while 20% ethanol may ignite at slightly higher temperatures.
  • One participant suggests that the ignition depends on the percentages of both water and alcohol in the solution.
  • A later reply explains that the vapor pressure of ethanol does not increase linearly with concentration, complicating the calculation of minimum flammable concentration without experimental data, and mentions the "proof" scale as a reference for flammability limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ignition properties of alcohol solutions, with no consensus on a specific percentage for ignition or the conditions required for it.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definition of ignition conditions and the relationship between alcohol concentration and vapor pressure are complex and may vary based on experimental data.

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1. Can anyone explain in basic way, when alcohol begins to burn from external fire touch, precisely in procentage. as we kown vodka 40% of alcohol don't fire up.
2. Can anyone answer me in basic way, why is what ?
 
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shimun said:
2. Can anyone answer me in basic way, why is what ?

I don't get to understand what you want to know...
 
shimun said:
as we kown vodka 40% of alcohol don't fire up.

Sure it does, you just have to know how to ignite it.

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I doubt you will get a single number as a lot depends on how you define ignition conditions.
 
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It's depending of the % of water and the % of alchohol I think. :smile:
 
The concentration of ethanol in the water has to be high enough for its vapor pressure to be within flammability limits at that temperature. The vapor pressure does not increase linearly from zero to the value of pure ethanol when the alcohol percentage is increased, so it's difficult to calculate the minimum concentration without having experimental data, but the "proof" scale of alcohol percentage, where 100 proof is equal to 50% vol. of ethanol is based on the approximate minimum flammable concentration at room temperature.
 

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