Understanding and Solving Basic Algebraic Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding and solving a specific algebraic expression, specifically the expression −5[−2(m − 3n) + 4n]. Participants engage in a step-by-step breakdown of the expression, exploring various methods to simplify it while addressing the order of operations and the distributive law.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests detailed guidance on simplifying the expression, indicating they are new to this type of problem.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the order of operations (BODMAS) and provides an initial step in expanding the expression.
  • A different participant clarifies that the expression provided is not an equation, but rather an expression, highlighting the distinction between the two.
  • Further contributions discuss the distributive law and the rules of signs, with one participant providing a mnemonic to remember these rules.
  • One participant shares their attempted solution, detailing each step taken to simplify the expression and asks for feedback on their process.
  • There are multiple reminders about posting in the appropriate forum, with some participants debating whether the inquiry qualifies as homework or a genuine interest in learning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps involved in simplifying the expression and the importance of the order of operations. However, there is disagreement regarding the classification of the inquiry as homework versus a learning exercise, with no consensus reached on this point.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for clarity in distinguishing between expressions and equations, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the completeness of the simplification process shared by one participant.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in basic algebraic methods, particularly those new to algebra or seeking clarification on the order of operations and simplification techniques.

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Hi, I'm having some trouble understanding how to tackle this question, I would appreciate it if some one could enlighten me on how to do this step by step and as in depth as possible.
It may seem simple to some, but I am fairly new to this sort of equation.

The equation is:
−5[−2(m − 3n) + 4n]

Josh, 13.
 
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You want to get rid of the brackets, basically, remember the order of operations (BODMAS) - here's a refresher:

http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-bodmas.html

Just to get you started, let's do the first step:

-5[((-2 * m) + (-2 * -3n)) + 4n]

now, you should perform the multiplications inside the two inner brackets, which will leave you with -5[terms from expanded brackets], and you must multiply everything in those brackets by the -5
 
Ottahhh, we aren't allowed to just hand you the answer, but we can guide you step by step.

Oh, and −5[−2(m − 3n) + 4n] is not an equation. What you have there is an expression. An equation is "expression = expression".
 
another way of thinking about BODMAS/PEDMAS is "inside-out":

we want to get the "innermost" parentheses to go away first:

-5[-2(m - 3n) + 4n]

= -5[(-2)(m) - (-2)(n) + 4n]

which is a consequence of the distributive law

(the distributive law is your friend, give it some love).

to take the next step, you have to use "the rules of sign":

(-a)(-b) = ab
(-a)(b) = -ab
(a)(-b) = -ab
(a)(b) = ab

(sometimes recited as a chant:

"positive times positive is positive, positive times negative is negative, negative times positive is negative, negative times negative is positive"

ok, now just the people on the right:)
 
Okay, so after all your help, I think I have an answer.

How I got my answer:
I started by focusing on the middle, we have -2 (m-3n) + 4n, I'm going to go
-2 x - 3n, as deveno pointed out, 2 negative make a positive so -2 x - 3n = 6n, I'm then going to do -2 x m which will give me -2m so after them sums I have -2 (m + 3n) = -2m + 6n. I can't forget about the 4n so I must do [-2m + 6n + 4n] = [-2m + 10n]. I will then handle the -5, First off I must do -5 x -2m, 2 negatives give me a positive so I will get 10m as my answer. I must then do -5 x 10n which gives me -50n so after those 2 sums, I have -5[-2m + 10n] = 10m - 50n.
Therefore my answer is 10m - 50n, please inform me of If I have gone wrong somewhere along the lines and consequently my answer is wrong.

Josh
 
This isn't homework :p This is me having a genuine interest in learning new Mathematical methods.
 
Ottahhh said:
This isn't homework :p This is me having a genuine interest in learning new Mathematical methods.

Yes, but it doesn't really matter if it's homework or not. You're trying to solve math exercises, and such things always belong in the homework forum here.
 
micromass said:
Yes, but it doesn't really matter if it's homework or not. You're trying to solve math exercises, and such things always belong in the homework forum here.
As you wish (:
 

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