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The discussion focuses on the chemical depiction of the phosphate ion (PO4^3−), clarifying that the notation "-3" indicates a negative charge due to the presence of one phosphorus atom and four oxygen atoms. The symbols connecting the oxygen atoms to the phosphate represent different types of chemical bonds: a solid triangle indicates a bond emerging from the plane of the paper, a dashed triangle indicates a bond going into the paper, a solid line represents a single bond, and a double line indicates a double bond. The conversation emphasizes that all P-O bonds in the phosphate ion are equivalent, despite the different representations used in 2D diagrams.

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Phosphat-Ion.svg
This image is a depiction for the chemical formula of A phosphate PO4^3−
I understand the ^3- represents the the Oxygen atoms.

I was wondering what exactly does it mean; I would assume it means the atom has a negative charge.

What do the symbols connecting the O atoms to the Phosphate represent? The = symbol, the solid and striped triangle, and the single line.
 
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Robotesco said:
^3- represents the the Oxygen atoms.
No. "-3" or "3-" indicates that the polyatomic ion, comprised of one phosphorus atom and four oxygen atoms has a charge of -3.
 
Bystander said:
No. "-3" or "3-" indicates that the polyatomic ion, comprised of one phosphorus atom and four oxygen atoms has a charge of -3.
You don't understand what the symbols connecting the oxygen atoms to the phosphate atoms?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Phosphat-Ion.svg
 
You see the red X on the attached image? It means it didn't come through for anyone on the forum to examine. I can guess, but that's not instructive.
 
A 3-D representation, the solid triangle representing a bond emerging from the plane of the paper from phosphorus to oxygen, the dashed triangle a bond "into" the paper to another oxygen, the solid line a "single" bond in the plane of the paper, and the double line a double bond in the plane of the paper. It's easier to portray the structure of the ion this way than with a tetrahedron of four 5/4 bonds.
 
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Bystander said:
A 3-D representation, the solid triangle representing a bond emerging from the plane of the paper from phosphorus to oxygen, the dashed triangle a bond "into" the paper to another oxygen, the solid line a "single" bond in the plane of the paper, and the double line a double bond in the plane of the paper. It's easier to portray the structure of the ion this way than with a tetrahedron of four 5/4 bonds.

I assumed they represented different dimensions of its position bonded to the phosphate. When you say the solid triangle represents the bond emerging from the plane of the paper are you saying the element is being repelled by the phosphate but still bonded? Whats the difference between a single bond and a double bond in the same chemical formula?
 
Robotesco said:
When you say the solid triangle represents the bond emerging from the plane of the paper are you saying the element is being repelled by the phosphate but still bonded?
There is no repelling. It is only to get a 2D representation of a 3D structure, a triangular pyramid in this case. All three P-O- bonds are to be taken as equivalent.

Robotesco said:
Whats the difference between a single bond and a double bond in the same chemical formula?
In reality, all P-O bonds should be equivalent. You will get http://www.chem.ucla.edu/harding/tutorials/resonance/draw_res_str.html
 
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It's bonds pointing towards or away from you. It matters for stereochemistry.as a tetrahedral doesn't fit in a plane.
 

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