Understanding Circuit Breaker Hierarchy in Power Distribution Networks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the hierarchy of circuit breakers in power distribution networks, particularly in the context of short circuits occurring in residential settings. Participants explore the logic behind which circuit breakers trip during such events and the implications for power distribution at various levels.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the logic of circuit breakers at higher levels tripping before those at lower levels during a short circuit, suggesting that it seems counterintuitive as it could lead to widespread outages.
  • Another participant proposes that the ratings of circuit breakers (e.g., 30 amps for a house versus higher ratings for facility breakers) could explain why lower-rated breakers trip first, as they are designed to protect against lower thresholds of excess current.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on the initial post, noting confusion due to undefined acronyms and the contradictory nature of the original claim about the correctness of the logic presented.
  • One participant emphasizes that a power station would not detect excess current from a single house, as it can manage significantly larger power flows.
  • Another participant introduces the concepts of selectivity, coordination, and discrimination in power system protection as relevant to the discussion.
  • A later reply explains that the series nature of circuit breakers means that the lowest-rated breaker typically trips first, regardless of their position in the distribution hierarchy, unless other factors like breaker speed come into play.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of circuit breakers during short circuits, with no consensus reached on the underlying logic or the implications of breaker ratings and positioning.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined their terms or acronyms, which may lead to misunderstandings. The discussion also involves assumptions about the behavior of circuit breakers that are not universally agreed upon.

i.mehrzad
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In a normal power distribution network there are successive circuit breakers each responsible fore the circuit that lies below them.

Now suppose i assume that there is a short circuit in my house then shouldn't the circuit breaker that lies above the MCB in my house, maybe an ACB or MCCB in one of the power distribution boards trip, and if we go higher then shouldn't the highest level circuit breaker trip, before any of the successive circuit breakers trip??

I know that my thinking is wrong, because in that case an entire city will lose electricity even when one of its residents has a circuit trip in their house. Can someone please correct my logic.
 
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I don't know the right answer...
But maybe the circuit breaker for your house is rated at 30 amps while the one at the facility rated for... more than 30 amps?

So the moment you go into 31 amps your house shuts down but you can theoratically get more than that?
 
i.mehrzad said:
In a normal power distribution network there are successive circuit breakers each responsible fore the circuit that lies below them.

Now suppose i assume that there is a short circuit in my house then shouldn't the circuit breaker that lies above the MCB in my house, maybe an ACB or MCCB in one of the power distribution boards trip, and if we go higher then shouldn't the highest level circuit breaker trip, before any of the successive circuit breakers trip??

I know that my thinking is wrong, because in that case an entire city will lose electricity even when one of its residents has a circuit trip in their house. Can someone please correct my logic.

Your post is confusing because you didn't define your acronyms, and because you seem to state a correct thing (the lower circuit breakers will pop first), and then say that your thinking is wrong. Could you please clarify both of those issues? Thanks.
 
I apologize my vagueness.

All i am asking is that there are successive circuit breakers in a circuit. Some which are closer to the Power Source end and some that are closer to the Earth end.

Now suppose a circuit breaker which is closer to the Earth end (like the one in my house) is supposed to trip, shouldn't the circuit breaker that comes at a higher level (like the one at the power station) also trip(before my house circuit breaker). The logic being that since excess current which is wanting to flow at a lower level should also result in excess current flowing through at a higher level.

(Level here refers to the position of the circuit breaker in the power distribution chain.)

And this should result in tripping of a circuit at the power station before there is tripping at my house.
 
A power station wouldn't even notice the excess current flowing in your house. It can handle far more power flow than your house panel can.
 
Please refer to selectivity, coordination and discrimination term of power system protection.
 
The breakers are all in series. The lowest-rated breaker will flip (except if there are issues of breaker speed--but typically lower-rated breakers are also faster, anyway). The distance between breakers and their order in the series circuit do not affect which breaker opens (assuming there are no other current paths than the series path). the only reason there are multiple breakers in an otherwise series circuit, is to protect from unintentional shorts at different points along the line.
 

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