Understanding conceptually how a plane wave interacts with a boundary

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of how a plane wave interacts with a boundary, focusing on the mechanisms of reflection, dipole behavior, and Brewster's angle. Participants explore both macroscopic and microscopic theories, seeking clarity on the physical processes involved rather than mathematical formulations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the dipole concept and how it relates to the reflection of a plane wave at a boundary, particularly at angles of incidence.
  • Another participant explains that in macroscopic electromagnetic theory, the boundary imposes conditions on the electromagnetic field, leading to reflection as a mathematical consequence of Maxwell's equations.
  • In microscopic theory, it is suggested that charged particles at the boundary oscillate in response to the incoming wave, radiating their own electromagnetic waves, with the intensity of radiation depending on the direction of oscillation.
  • There is a discussion about how the orientation of dipoles at Brewster's angle affects reflection, with one participant noting that the direction of oscillation of charged particles aligns with the electric field of the incoming wave.
  • Participants seek graphical representations or animations to better visualize the dipole behavior and boundary interactions, indicating a preference for intuitive understanding over mathematical descriptions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the interaction of plane waves with boundaries, particularly concerning dipole behavior and reflection mechanisms. No consensus is reached on the best way to conceptualize these interactions.

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Participants acknowledge that their understanding may be limited or flawed, and there is an emphasis on the desire for intuitive explanations rather than complex mathematical treatments.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the conceptual aspects of wave interactions with boundaries, particularly in the context of electromagnetic theory and optics.

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Hi,

I'd love a to have a more graphical understanding of how a plane wave interacts with a boundary. I know the maths that describes it, Fresnel's equations etc, and how Brewster's angle is derived and stuff.

I'm rather confused with the dipole concept. From what I understand, when a plane normal to the boundary hits the boundary, charge gathers on the boundary and reflects it. If the material is a dielectric though, the material will also reflect it, but with a phase delay (I imagine this to be because the dipole needs to absorb it and then re-radiate it). My issue comes when trying to understand what happens at an angle. I believe that at an angle, it'll basically be a combination of what I've described, as well as what happens when the electric field polarisation is parallel to the boundary (the polarisation is perpendicular to the plane of incidence). I don't 'get' what goes on here, what does the boundary 'do', what causes the reflection? And at Brewster's angle, the dipoles supposedly become oriented in such a way that they do not radiate perpendicular and hence nothing is reflected... How does the incoming wave affect the orientation of the dipoles? Is there a picture or animation that can show me the dipoles rotating?

I understand that the understanding I'm seeking may seem trivial because *really* this stuff doesn't work like this, and it's simple a limited (flawed) model; however, it would greatly help my understanding and I'd appreciate some help with this! I'm not really interested in a bunch of equations like most books seem to present.

Thank you.
 
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I don't 'get' what goes on here, what does the boundary 'do', what causes the reflection?

In macroscopic EM theory, the boundary just imposes boundary condition on the EM field. The reflection comes as mathematical consequence of this and the Maxwell equations.

In microscopic theory, the boundary is made of charged particles. When external wave impinges on them, it makes them oscillate preferably in the direction of the polarization, and these particles then radiate their own EM waves out in all directions, but most intensity goes to directions from which the oscillations are viewed best (perpendicular to the line of sight). When the external wave is added with the elementary waves of the particles, it has part that comes toward the boundary (external wave) and part that returns back away from it (sum of the elementary waves due to the particles in the boundary).

And at Brewster's angle, the dipoles supposedly become oriented in such a way that they do not radiate perpendicular and hence nothing is reflected... How does the incoming wave affect the orientation of the dipoles?

The direction of oscillations of the charged particles in the boundary settles in the same direction in which the electric field settles. For simple dielectrics, this depends on their susceptibility and also on the polarization of the external wave and its angle of incidence. The oscillations settle in such pattern that the boundary conditions for given geometry are satisfied, and there is only one way this can happen.

It is hard to explain this from the point of view of microscopic theory, but it should be possible.

See the great article of Victor Weisskopf on light-matter interaction, he explains similar things in more detail without complicated mathematics:


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Thank you. Are you aware of any books which go into this? The article seems quite good too!
 

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