Understanding Diff Equations: Solving Problems with Mixing Rates

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The discussion revolves around solving differential equations related to mixing rates, specifically focusing on two problems involving rates of change in a system. The first problem deals with the concentration of a substance in a tank, while the second involves the concentration of CO in a volume over time.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up the differential equations based on given rates in and out, but expresses confusion about the integration process and the interpretation of results. Some participants question the handling of constants of integration and the setup of the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, providing guidance on the integration steps and clarifying the meaning of variables. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the final values and conditions to be met, particularly in the second problem.

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I'm having a bit of difficulty with these. I'm sort of new to this so I'm somewhat confused, maybe someone could lighten a bit of my confusion.Here's the first problem:
http://www.synthdriven.com/images/deletable/img01.jpg This is what I've done, please let me know if I'm doing this correctly...

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=[/tex]rate in - rate out
rate in =[tex](0kg/G)(5G/hr)=0[/tex]
rate out =[tex](\frac{y(t)}{10G})(5G/hr)=\frac{5y(t)}{10}=\frac{1}{2}y(t)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=-\frac{1}{2}y(t)[/tex]
[tex]\int \frac{1}{y}=-\int \frac{1}{2}dt[/tex]
[tex]\ln{y}=-\frac{1}{2}t[/tex]

This is where I've ended up... Am I to find y and then solve for y=(1/2)10=5?? If so, that'd give me the following:

[tex]\ln{5}=-\frac{1}{2}t[/tex]
[tex]t=-2\ln{5}[/tex]

Is this correct??
The second problem is the following:
http://www.synthdriven.com/images/deletable/img02.jpg

For this, I got the following:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=[/tex]rate in - rate out
rate in=[tex](0.15\frac{ft^3}{min})(0.06\frac{C0}{ft^3})[/tex]
rate out=[tex](\frac{y(t)CO}{1800ft^3})(\frac{0.15ft^3}{min})=\frac{0.15y}{1800}CO/min[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=0.009-\frac{0.15y}{1800}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=-(\frac{0.15}{1800}-0.009)[/tex]
[tex]\int{\frac{1800}{0.15y}-\frac{1}{0.009}dy}=-\int{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1800}{0.15}\ln{y}-\frac{y}{0.009}=-t[/tex]

I would then plug in 0.00018 for y, right?
When I do that, I get 51735.34 min... Is this correct...?Any pointers?

Thanks
 
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For number 1, you're forgetting your constant of integration, so you should have:

ln(y) = C-t/2
y = ce-t/2 where c = eC

You need to solve for c, using the fact that y(0) = 10. This is easy, c=10. Now you want to find when y(t) = (1/2)10 = 5, so you set:

5 = 10e-t/2
-2ln(0.5) = t
t = ln4

For your second problem, its correct where you say dy/dt = 0.009 - 0.15y/1800. After that, it appears you've made some mistakes. Observe that you have dy/dt = a + by for some number as and b. So:

dy/(a+by) = dt
ln(a+by)/b = t + C

You should be able to get the rest from here. Note that in the end, you want to find the smallest t such that y(t)/1800 > 0.00018, i.e. you want to solve y(t)/1800 = 0.00018, not y(t) = 0.00018. In case you get stuck, the solution is below, but only use it if you get stuck.

ln(a+by) = tb + D
a+by = cetb
y = (cetb-a)/b
y = detb - a/b

where a = 0.009, b = -0.15/1800, and d has to be determined. Again, you know y(0) = 0, so d = a/b, giving:

y = (a/b)(etb-1)

When is y/1800 > 0.00018?

y/1800 > 0.00018
y > 0.324
etb-1[/sup] < -0.003
etb < 0.997
tb < ln(0.997)
t > 36.054108243584661759010672195441...[/color]
 
I don't get it. What is y(t) represent? Gallons of water in the first problem and cubic feet of CO in the second problem at time t?
 
Yes, that's what it represents.
 

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