Differential equation mixing problem

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The problem involves a differential equation related to a mixing scenario in a vat containing beer with varying alcohol concentrations. The original poster describes a system where beer with 6% alcohol is pumped into a vat containing 2000L of beer with 4% alcohol, and seeks to determine the percentage of alcohol after one hour.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation governing the change in alcohol concentration over time. The original poster attempts to derive the equation based on rates of alcohol entering and leaving the vat. Some participants question the correctness of the rate expressions and the integration steps taken.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the differential equation, with participants identifying and correcting errors in the original formulation. Several corrections have been proposed, and there is a focus on ensuring the accuracy of the mathematical expressions used. The discussion has not reached a consensus on the final solution, but productive dialogue is occurring regarding the necessary adjustments.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster made several typographical errors in the equations, which have led to confusion in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of accurately interpreting the problem's parameters, such as the rates of flow and the initial conditions.

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Homework Statement


A vat with 2000L of beer contains 4% alcohol (by volume). Beer with 6% alcohol is pumped into the vat at a rate of 20L/min and the mixture is pumped out at the same rate. What is the percentage of alcohol after an hour?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


At ##t = 0## the amount of alcohol is 80L, let the amount at time ##t## be ##y##.
##\frac{dy}{dt} = rate in - rate out##
##rate in = (20L/min)(0.06) = 1.2L/min##
##rate out = \frac{y}{2000}(20L/min) = \frac{y}{100}L/min##

Which leads to:
##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}##

##\int\frac{dy}{1200 - y} = \int\frac{dt}{100}##

##-\ln|1200 - y| = \frac{t}{100} + k##

##1200 - y = Ae^{-t/100}##, yielding
##y(t) = 1120e^{-t/100}##

Substituting ##t = 1## gives ##y \approx 91.14## and converting to a percentage gives about ##4.6%## while the actual answer is ##4.9##. The general solution works fine for ##t = 0## which implies that the value of ##A## is correct. Where lies the error here?
 
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Lord Anoobis said:

Homework Statement


A vat with 2000L of beer contains 4% alcohol (by volume). Beer with 6% alcohol is pumped into the vat at a rate of 20L/min and the mixture is pumped out at the same rate. What is the percentage of alcohol after an hour?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


At ##t = 0## the amount of alcohol is 80L, let the amount at time ##t## be ##y##.
##\frac{dy}{dt} = rate in - rate out##
##rate in = (20L/min)(0.06) = 1.2L/min##
##rate out = \frac{y}{2000}(20L/min) = \frac{y}{100}L/min##

Which leads to:
##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}##

##\int\frac{dy}{1200 - y} = \int\frac{dt}{100}##

##-\ln|1200 - y| = \frac{t}{100} + k##

##1200 - y = Ae^{-t/100}##, yielding
##y(t) = 1120e^{-t/100}##

Substituting ##t = 1## gives ##y \approx 91.14## and converting to a percentage gives about ##4.6%## while the actual answer is ##4.9##. The general solution works fine for ##t = 0## which implies that the value of ##A## is correct. Where lies the error here?
You made a computation error, as ##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}## is wrong.

There a further error(s) down the line, so after fixing the formula for ##\frac{dy}{dt}##, carefully redo your calculations.
 
Samy_A said:
You made a computation error, as ##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}## is wrong.

There a further error(s) down the line, so after fixing the formula for ##\frac{dy}{dt}##, carefully redo your calculations.
I made a typo there, it's supposed to be

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{100}##
 
Lord Anoobis said:
I made a typo there, it's supposed to be

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{100}##
Still wrong.
 
Samy_A said:
Still wrong.
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##
 
Lord Anoobis said:
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##

Still a balls-up. I just don't see it.
 
Lord Anoobis said:
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##
Yes, that's correct.

Now just continue from this.
This will lead to ##120 - y = Ae^{-t/100}## (exactly as in your first computation, with 120 instead of 1200).

Now use y(0)=80 to get A.
 
Samy_A said:
Yes, that's correct.

Now just continue from this.
This will lead to ##120 - y = Ae^{-t/100}## (exactly as in your first computation, with 120 instead of 1200).

Now use y(0)=80 to get A.
More than one typo, actually. Anyway, now I get

##y = 120 - 40e^{-t/100}## with ##t = 1## giving ##y = 80.398...## which is not correct. That's what I meant by the persistent balls-up.
 
Lord Anoobis said:
More than one typo, actually. Anyway, now I get

##y = 120 - 40e^{-t/100}## with ##t = 1## giving ##y = 80.398...## which is not correct. That's what I meant by the persistent balls-up.
How many minutes are there in 1 hour?
 
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Samy_A said:
How many minutes in an hour?
Problem solved and the need for a break confirmed. I can't believe I missed that. Much appreciated.
 

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