Understanding Divergence and Gradient in Vector Fields

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of divergence and gradient in vector fields, exploring their definitions, relationships, and operations. Participants examine the mathematical operations associated with vector and scalar fields, including the curl and the Laplacian.

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  • One participant questions whether divergence is simply the partial derivatives of a vector field and proposes an example vector field to illustrate their point.
  • Another participant clarifies that divergence is a scalar field derived from a vector field, while the gradient is an operation that converts a scalar field into a vector field.
  • A later reply corrects the initial misunderstanding about the divergence of the proposed vector field, stating that it results in a scalar function, specifically \nabla\cdot F= 2x+ 2y+ 2z.
  • The same reply explains that the gradient indicates the direction of the fastest increase of a scalar function and introduces the concept of the Laplacian as a second-order differential operator.

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Participants express differing views on the initial understanding of divergence and gradient, leading to corrections and clarifications. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial definitions but refines the understanding of these concepts.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of divergence and gradient may not be fully articulated, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of these mathematical operations.

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What is the Divergence? is it only the Partial derivatives?

Lets say I have a vector field: F=x^2i+y^2j+z^2k, the divergence is F=2xi+2yj+2zk?

And if it is, than what is the gradient?:confused:
 
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A divergence is evaluated of a vector field, while the gradient (assuming you mean grad) is done for scalar fields. A related operation, the curl is performed on a vector field.

So we have:
curl: vector field -> vector field
div: vector field -> scalar field
grad: scalar field -> vector field

I'm wondering if there is any defined operation such that we can get a scalar field from a scalar field?
 


asi123 said:
What is the Divergence? is it only the Partial derivatives?

Lets say I have a vector field: F=x^2i+y^2j+z^2k, the divergence is F=2xi+2yj+2zk?
No. the diverence of this vecor field is the scalar function \nabla\cdot F= 2x+ 2y+ 2z. The "\cdot" in that notation is to remind you of a dot product: the result is a scalar.

And if it is, than what is the gradient?:confused:

The gradient is, in effect, the "opposite" of the divergence: it changes a scalar function to a vector field: at each point \nabla f points in the direction of fastest increase and its length is the derivative in that direction.

Notice that if you start with a scalar function, the gradient gives a vector function and you can then apply the divergence to that going back to a scalar function:
\nabla\cdot (\nabla f)= \nabla^2 f[/itex]<br /> called the &quot;Laplacian&quot; of f. That is a very important operator: it is the simplest second order differential operator that is &quot;invariant under rigid motions&quot;.
 


Got it, thanks.
 

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