Understanding Emission and Absorption Power in Three-Body Systems

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The discussion centers on the concepts of emission and absorption power in three-body systems at a uniform temperature. Participants explore the relationships between spectral emission power, spectral absorption power, and the implications of Kirchhoff's Law within this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the spectral emission power and spectral absorption power, questioning if it implies that the ratio is equal to 1.
  • Another participant asserts that emission power and absorption power must be equal, suggesting a consensus on this point.
  • A third participant raises a question about the next step in the discussion, specifically regarding the expression of the ratio in terms of the spectral emissive power.
  • A later reply clarifies definitions of terms such as spectral absorptivity, spectral emissive power of a black body, and spectral emissive power of a surface, linking these to Kirchhoff's Law and the concept that good absorbers are good emitters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the equality of emission and absorption power, the discussion includes questions and clarifications that indicate uncertainty and differing interpretations of the relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the relationships between the various powers, and there are assumptions regarding the definitions and conditions under which these relationships hold.

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Three bodies 1,2,3 are in closed region. Region is at temperature ##T##.
##e_{\lambda,T}## - spectral emission power
##a_{\lambda,T}## - spectral absorption power

In experiment
##(\frac{e_{\lambda,T}}{a_{\lambda,T}})_1=(\frac{e_{\lambda,T}}{a_{\lambda,T}})_2=(\frac{e_{\lambda,T}}{a_{\lambda,T}})_3##

I am confused. Does it perhaps ##(\frac{e_{\lambda,T}}{a_{\lambda,T}})_1=1##? How much body absorbs and emits so much. Right?
 
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Yes, emission power and absorption power must be equal.
 
Why then in next step
##(\frac{e_{\lambda,T}}{a_{\lambda,T}})=E_{\lambda,T}##
 
I can make sense of this only by assuming that…

[itex]a_{\lambda, T}[/itex] means the spectral absorptivity of a surface at temperature T, that is the fraction of radiation of wavelength [itex]\lambda[/itex] which it absorbs. A number (≤ 1) without units.

[itex]E_{\lambda, T}[/itex] means the spectral emissive power of a black body at temperature T, that is the power it emits between wavelength [itex]\lambda[/itex] and wavelength [itex]\lambda + \Delta \lambda[/itex] per unit area, divided by [itex]\Delta \lambda[/itex], as [itex]\Delta \lambda[/itex] approaches zero.

[itex]e_{\lambda, T}[/itex] means the spectral emissive power of the surface at temperature T, that is the power it emits between wavelength [itex]\lambda[/itex] and wavelength [itex]\lambda + \Delta \lambda[/itex] per unit area, divided by [itex]\Delta \lambda[/itex], as [itex]\Delta \lambda[/itex] approaches zero.

The relationship you've just quoted would then express Kirchhoff's Law, crudely summarised as 'good absorbers are good emitters', since it states that [itex]a_{\lambda, T}[/itex] is equal to the ratio of the spectral emissive power of the surface in question to that of a black body (which has the greatest spectral emissive power, at all wavelengths, of ANY surface at the same temperature).
 
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LE: Are you clear now?
 

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