Understanding Entropy: Drawing Temperature Entropy Graphs

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The discussion focuses on drawing temperature-entropy graphs using the entropy equation for ideal gas transformations: ΔS = nC_vln(T_f/T_i) + nRln(V_f/V_i). Participants highlight the confusion regarding entropy changes during adiabatic processes, where temperature changes without a corresponding change in entropy. The conversation emphasizes the need for guidelines on graph curvature, particularly in scenarios like isobaric heating, where the relationship between specific heat capacities (C_v and R) influences the graph's shape.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the ideal gas law and its applications.
  • Familiarity with thermodynamic concepts such as entropy and specific heat capacities.
  • Knowledge of logarithmic functions and their implications in thermodynamic equations.
  • Basic skills in graphing and interpreting temperature-entropy relationships.
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  • Study the principles of adiabatic processes in thermodynamics.
  • Learn about the implications of specific heat capacities (C_v and R) on entropy changes.
  • Research graphical representation techniques for thermodynamic cycles.
  • Explore the effects of isobaric and isochoric processes on temperature-entropy graphs.
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Hi all,

Is there anyway, meaning by use of equation to determine how we should draw a temperature entropy graph?

I understand that is the equation for entropy for ideal gas transformation:

[tex]\del S = nC_vln(\frac{T_f}{T_i}) + nRln(\frac{V_f}{V_i})[/tex]

But i don't seem to be able to apply it very well.

For example, in a adiabatic compression, the entropy doesn't change but temperature does (appears as straight line on graph). Yet, the equation tells me that there should be change in entropy. That is, if i understanding is not wrong.

So it there any generally guidelines to drawing the graph, and whether the curve is concave or convex.
 
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I’m not familiar with this, but if Cv was small and Rl was large then entropy wouldn't change (much) if T did. You are taking the natural log of T so a change would have little effect, and if the right side of the + was a large number then a small change on the left side of the + would not make much difference to entropy.
 
How about, say a isobaric heating, how would one then determine the curvature of its temperature entropy curve?

Any help from anyone will be greatly appreciated.
 
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