Understanding Eq (4.19) of Peskin-Schroeder

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivation of the second equation of Eq (4.19) from Peskin and Schroeder, specifically the relationship between the interaction Hamiltonian and the time-evolved field operators in the context of quantum field theory. The focus is on the manipulation of operators and their time evolution in the interaction picture.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on how the second part of Eq (4.19) equals the third, specifically regarding the expression for the interaction Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant explains that since \( e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} = 1 \), it can be inserted between factors of the field operator, leading to the expression for \( \phi_I^4 \).
  • A third participant reiterates the previous explanation but raises a concern about the vagueness of the statement regarding \( e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \), noting that the arguments of \( \phi \) need to be examined.
  • This participant emphasizes that in the context of \( H_{\text{int}} \), the argument is \( \phi(\textbf{x}) \), but questions whether the definition of \( \phi_I \) aligns with the expected result.
  • A fourth participant clarifies that \( \phi(t_0,\mathbf{x}) = \phi(\mathbf{x}) \), stating that Schrödinger picture operators are defined at a reference time \( t_0 \).

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and correctness of the manipulation of operators, with some agreeing on the insertion of the identity operator while others question the assumptions regarding the arguments of the field operators. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these manipulations.

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There is an ongoing uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the time evolution of the field operators and their arguments, which may affect the interpretation of the equations discussed.

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Can someone explain to me how the authors got the second equation of eq (4.19), Page 84, of Peskin Schroeder.

The equation is:

<br /> H_I(t) = e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}(H_{\text{int}}) e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} = \int d^3x \frac{\lambda}{4!} \phi_I(t,\textbf{x})^4<br />
where
<br /> H_{\text{int}} = \int d^3x \frac{\lambda}{4!} \phi^4(\textbf{x})<br />
I do not understand how the second part of this eq is equal to the third. Please explain.
 
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Since e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} = 1, you can insert it between each factor of \phi:

<br /> e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi^4 e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)}<br /> = \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> =\phi_I^4<br />
 


matonski said:
Since e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} = 1, you can insert it between each factor of \phi:

<br /> e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi^4 e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \\<br /> = \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right]<br /> \left[ e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} \right] \\<br /> =\phi_I^4<br />

Of course that would be the natural thing to do. However, e^{iH_0(t-t_0)}\phi e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)} is a vague statement since you have not examined the arguments of \phi.

In our current context of H_{int}, the argument is \phi(\textbf{x}). However, the definition of \phi_I is

<br /> \phi_I(t,\textbf{x}) = e^{iH_0(t-t_0)} \phi(t_0,\textbf{x}) e^{-iH_0(t-t_0)}<br />
where \phi(t_0,\textbf{x}) = e^{iHt_0}\phi(\textbf{x})e^{-iHt_0}. This surely does not reproduce the same result that has been written.

What am I doing wrong?
 


\phi(t_0,\mathbf{x}) = \phi(\mathbf{x}).

Schroedinger picture operators are defined at some reference time t_0.
 

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