Understanding First Order Linear Differential Equations: Solving and Simplifying

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The discussion revolves around understanding first-order linear differential equations, specifically the steps involved in solving them. Participants express confusion regarding the manipulation of terms, integration processes, and the application of the product rule in differentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the disappearance of terms during manipulation, the transition from dy/dx to d/dx, and the integration of both sides of the equation. There are inquiries about the legality of certain steps and the rationale behind using specific forms of the equations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on intermediary steps and the application of mathematical rules. Some guidance has been offered regarding the standardization of the linear ODE and the use of integrating factors, but confusion remains about the details of the differentiation and integration processes.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is an emphasis on understanding the foundational steps rather than jumping to conclusions or solutions.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand in step one why the three in the numerator disappears. I also don't understand why dy/dx becomes d/dx. the book just says left side is d/dx(v*y), a lot of help that is. how do you go to two fractions with x^3 and x^4 to one fraction with x^3 in the numerator.

In step 3 they integrate both sides, but I don't see any integration of the left side. I have a feeling that they are moving the d/dx to the right side, if so, what happens to the d?
 
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It's a first-order linear ODE, and usually, the method of solving this is by multiplying throughout by an integrating factor.
 
I know that but i still don't understand how they get from steps 1 to 2 to 3
 
I confirm. It's exactly the same method, except that some of the intermediary steps have been omitted from your example.

You should re-arrange the linear ODE into its standard form. Then, find the integrating factor.
 
well i don't know what those intermediary steps are. if i did i wouldn't have posted the question.
 
The solution will reveal itself if you work it out and you will see the corresponding lines from your example.

To standardize your linear ODE, multiply by x^3:
\frac{dy}{dx}+\left(\frac{-3}{x}\right)y=x Can you continue from here?
 
I don't see how that step is legal. number two, I don't see how that gets me from step 1 to step 2.
 
robertjford80 said:
I know that
I thought you knew how to solve a first-order linear ODE.

Continuing from my post #6. From the standardized linear ODE form:
P(x)=\frac{-3}{x}<br /> \\Q(x)=x
The integrating factor:
\mu (x)=e^{\int P(x).dx}=\frac{1}{x^3}
\frac{d(\mu y)}{dx}=\mu Q
\frac{d(\frac{1}{x^3} y)}{dx}= \frac{1}{x^2}\; ...\;Step\;2
Steps 3 and 4 are obvious.
 
robertjford80 said:

Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand in step one why the three in the numerator disappears. I also don't understand why dy/dx becomes d/dx. the book just says left side is d/dx(v*y), a lot of help that is. how do you go to two fractions with x^3 and x^4 to one fraction with x^3 in the numerator.

In step 3 they integrate both sides, but I don't see any integration of the left side. I have a feeling that they are moving the d/dx to the right side, if so, what happens to the d?

There's nothing omitted from the first step. It's simply a fact that if you take the derivative of the left hand side of the second equation, you get the left hand side of the first equation. Take the derivative (using the product rule) to confirm this.
 
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I'm having trouble taking the derivative of

\frac{1}{x^3} - \frac{3}{x^4}y

I get

\frac{dy}{dx}\big(\frac{x-3}{x^4}\big)y

If I take the derivative of that I'm not going to get the next step in the book, so I must be doing something wrong.
 
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  • #11
robertjford80 said:
I'm having trouble taking the derivative of

\frac{1}{x^3} - \frac{3}{x^4}y
Well, that's your problem- you do NOT take the derivative of that. You want to integrate it.

I get

\frac{dy}{dx}\big(\frac{x-3}{x^3}\big)y

If I take the derivative of that I'm not going to get the next step in the book, so I must be doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]
The derivative of y/x^3, using the quotient rule, is
\frac{y&#039;x^3- y(3x^2)}{(x^3)^2}= \frac{y&#039;}{x^3}- \frac{3y}{x^4}[/quit]<br /> which is exactly what you want.
 
  • #12
i realize this is basic algebra but I don't see to get

\frac{y}{x^3}

If you let y = 2 and x = 2 you get

\frac{1}{x^3} - \frac{3y}{x^4}

\frac{2}{16} - \frac{3*2}{16} = \frac{-2}{8}


whereas with

\frac{y}{x^3}

if you let y = 2 and x = 2 you get

\frac{2}{8}


There's something about the negative sign that I'm missing.
 

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