Understanding Force Problems: Physics Test Prep and Practice Questions

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The discussion revolves around understanding force problems in physics, specifically related to average force calculations in scenarios involving a shot-putter and a helicopter lifting a car. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the concepts and equations involved in these problems.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are discussing the relevance of distance in calculating average force and questioning the use of specific equations. There are attempts to relate work and kinetic energy to force calculations. Some participants are also exploring the implications of gravitational acceleration in their reasoning.

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Several participants have offered guidance on potential approaches, such as using kinematic equations and the work-energy principle. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problems, particularly regarding the calculations for the helicopter scenario. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct methods or answers yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of preparing for a physics test, which may influence their understanding and approach to the problems. There are indications of confusion regarding the application of formulas and the relevance of certain parameters in the problems presented.

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Hi there, I have a physics test tomorrow and I've been trying to review and practice some problems, but I'm not sure I'm understanding it. When the teacher goes through the questions it makes sense, but I'm not always sure where to start. I have a couple questions that I don't understand, even if I could understand one of them it would be good.

Homework Statement


What is the average force exerted by a shot-putter on a 7.0 kg shot if the shot is moved through a distance of 2.8m and is released with a speed of 13 m/s?

So I know
m=7.0 kg
v=13 m/s
d=2.8m
g=9.8 N/kg or 9.8 m/s
and I'm trying to find force.


Homework Equations


a=v/t
F=ma
Not really sure which equations to use.


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure if the distance is even relevant, does it help with the problem at all?
The first thing I thought to do was find the acceleration using a=v/t and then using F=ma, but I don't know the time and wouldn't the acceleration be 0? So if a=o, then F=ma would also be 0, and that doesn't make sense. Overall I'm just not too sure where I would start if I was given a question like this on the test.
The book says the answer is 2.1 x 10N.

Homework Statement


A 6500 kg helicopter accelerates upwards at 0.60 m/s while lifting a 1200 kg car. a) What is the lift force exerted by the air on the rotors? b) What is the tension in the cable (ignore its mass) that connects the car to the helicopter?

total mass=7700kg
a=0.60m

The Attempt at a Solution



So for a) I tried to do F=ma
F= (7700kg) (0.60m) = 4620 N
But the book says the answer is 8.01 x 10[tex]^{}4[/tex]N.
and for b) i honestly have no idea where to start, but the answer is 1.25 x 10[tex]^{}4[/tex]N.

I would really appreciate it if anyone could help me with these problems, thank you very much!
 
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try using v^2 = v0^2 + 2a(x0 - x) to solve for a
 
First Question:
Work = Force x Distance ( W = Fd )

The amount of work done will result in an equivalent change of Kinetic Energy:

Ek = mv2/2​

Knowing the mass and velocity, you can calculate the kinetic energy, and then force.

ETA:
For your second question, don't forget about the acceleration of gravity (g).
 
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Jimmy said:
First Question:
Work = Force x Distance ( W = Fd )

The amount of work done will result in an equivalent change of Kinetic Energy:

Ek = mv2/2​

Knowing the mass and velocity, you can calculate the kinetic energy, and then force.

ETA:
For your second question, don't forget about the acceleration of gravity (g).
do you really need these for this question? I thought that these were just standard f = ma questions
 
are you sure that the answer for B is 833.04 Newtons? it doesn't seem right..
 
wisvuze said:
do you really need these for this question? I thought that these were just standard f = ma questions
No, you're right. I'm just used to doing it that way.

v^2 = 2ax : solve for a

For the second question:
m = 6500kg + 1200kg
a = 9.8m/s^2 + .6 m/s^2

I think the given answer is 8.01x104 N.
But the book says the answer is 8.01 x 10[tex]^{}4[/tex]N.
 
Jimmy said:
No, you're right. I'm just used to doing it that way.

v^2 = 2ax : solve for a

For the second question:
m = 6500kg + 1200kg
a = 9.8m/s^2 + .6 m/s^2

I think the given answer is 8.01x104 N.

Ohh, okay right.. That makes more sense, thanks

I think it should be 0 = Vo^2 + 2a([tex]\Delta[/tex]x) ? it says that it is 13 m/s when released, right?
 
I notice that you probably want some explanations, since F= (7700kg) (0.60m) = 4620 N as an answer for part B wouldn't really make any sense. You know that after all the forces are calculated, the helicopter moves up with an acceleration of 0.60 m/s^2. So, we know the forces pulling down on the helicopter and the net force - all we need to do now is equate the pulling down forces and some mysterious force (to be known as the rotor air lift force) to be equal to the net force. So if we have forces pulling down on the helicopter, there must exist a force making it go up, since the net force makes it go up
 

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