Understanding Friction Force Calculation for Ball Bearings on a Track

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional force of a ball bearing sliding across a track, utilizing given parameters such as initial and final velocities, distance, and weight. Participants explore different methods to approach the problem, including kinetic energy considerations and the implications of momentum conservation in isolated systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use kinematic equations to find deceleration and subsequently the frictional force. They also inquire about an alternative method involving kinetic energy loss. Other participants discuss the concept of work done by friction and the necessity of specifying isolated systems in momentum conservation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing insights into the relationship between work and energy loss due to friction. There is a recognition of the importance of isolated systems in the context of momentum conservation, though no consensus has been reached on the implications of this specification.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the application of different methods for calculating frictional force and the conditions under which momentum is conserved. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the equations and concepts being discussed.

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Hey guys i was told to calculate the frictional force of a ball bearing when it slide across a track. I was given the initial and final velocities , the distance between them and the weight of the ball. The 1st thing i though of was V^2 = u^2 + 2as and calculate for the deceleration then equate to F=ma. However i was told that i can find the frictional force by dividing the lost in kinetic energy by the distance traveled by the ball. I have not heard of this equation before can someone tell me what this is and where i can read more about it?

Another thing, why do we need to say that momentum is conserved in an isolated system? Cant we just say momentum is conserved without mentioning isolated system?
 
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That'll be the concept of work. The frictional force does work (negative) on the ball bearing, which reduces its kinetic energy.
 
Oh... damn should have though of that... What about isolated system? why do we need to specify inside an isolated system
 
semc said:
Oh... damn should have though of that... What about isolated system? why do we need to specify inside an isolated system

Consider the derivation of the conservation of linear momentum. If we pick a system such that there is a net external force acting on it - that force not being from something within our chosen system - then clearly our derivation does not hold and linear momentum is not conserved for this particular system.
 
You want the system to be isolated so that you can say that all the energy lost goes to heating by friction and not to anything else.
 

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