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The discussion revolves around understanding horizontal asymptotes in the context of rational functions, particularly focusing on the role of constants in the function's behavior as the variable approaches infinity. Participants explore the implications of the denominator increasing and how it affects the overall value of the function.

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  • Some participants express confusion about why the constant +c represents the horizontal asymptote, questioning the relationship between the denominator and the asymptotic behavior.
  • One participant suggests that as the denominator increases without bound, the fraction approaches zero, leading to the conclusion that the horizontal asymptote is y=c.
  • Another participant provides specific numerical examples to illustrate how the function behaves for large values of x, showing that the output approaches c.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which limits apply, with references to the properties of limits and their implications for the asymptotic behavior of the function.
  • Some participants attempt to clarify their understanding by working through specific examples, but there is uncertainty about the calculations and the implications of the results.
  • A later reply revisits the initial question, emphasizing the need to consider large values of x to understand the asymptotic behavior better.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of horizontal asymptotes, with some expressing confusion and others providing differing perspectives on the calculations and reasoning involved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the function as x approaches infinity, and some participants appear to struggle with the mathematical steps involved in their reasoning.

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This discussion may be useful for students and individuals seeking to understand the concept of horizontal asymptotes in rational functions, particularly those grappling with the mathematical reasoning behind limits and asymptotic behavior.

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I'm stuck at understanding why +c is the horizontal asymptote. Can someone please explain this? I get that the vertical asymptote is relating to (x+b), because the denominator cannot=0. But why does this kind of graph have a horizontal asymptote to begin with?

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What happens to a fraction when the denominator gets larger and larger without bound?
 
the fraction gets smaller, but don't we end up adding that to the value of c??well if a/(x-b)^2 +c

let a=1 b=1 c=2

so we get

1/(x-1)^2 +2

lets make x =2

we get

1/1 +2 ... that's 3... wait am i doing something wrong?

- - - Updated - - -

oh wait is because in the above a is negative.. so

it would be -1+2 < 2 ...
 
The fraction goes to zero as the denominator goes to infinity, and so that's why the horizontal asymptote is $y=c$.
 
Let's make this really interesting by choosing some suitably large values for $x$.

Let's see what happens at $x = 1,000,000$, when $a = b = -1,c = 2$.

Then $f(x) = \dfrac{-1}{(999,999)^2} + 2$

$= \dfrac{-1}{999,998,000,001} + 2$

$\sim 1.999999999998999998$

At $x = -1,000,000$, we get:

$f(x) = \dfrac{-1}{(-1,000,001)^2} + 2$

$= \dfrac{-1}{1,000,002,000,001} + 2$

$\sim 1.999999999999000002$

Both of these numbers are really close to 2, right?

In general, we see that:

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to \infty} \left(\frac{a}{(x + b)^2} + c\right)$

$\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{a}{(x + b)^2} + \lim_{x \to \infty} c$

$\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{a}{(x+b)^2} + c$

$\displaystyle = (a)\left(\lim_{x \to \infty}\frac{1}{x+b}\right)^2 + c$

$\displaystyle = (a)(0)^2 + c = 0 + c = c$

Similar reasoning holds to show that:

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to -\infty} \left(\frac{a}{(x + b)^2} + c\right) = c$

as well.

(If you haven't been formally introduced to limits yet, all you need to know for this is the following (which hold under "suitably nice conditions" which are the case here):

1) the limit of a sum is the sum of the limits of each term in the sum
2) the limit of a product is the product of the limits of each factor in the product
3) if M(x) is a function that gets "infinitely big" as x does, then:

$$\lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{1}{M(x)} = 0$$

-by "get infinitely big as x does" I mean that for ANY positive integer $K$, there is always some positive integer $N$, so that if we have $x > N$, then $|M(x)| > K$ (typically, the integer $N$ will depend on $K$, bigger $K$'s usually need bigger $N$'s).).
 
confusedatmath said:
I'm stuck at understanding why +c is the horizontal asymptote. Can someone please explain this? I get that the vertical asymptote is relating to (x+b), because the denominator cannot=0. But why does this kind of graph have a horizontal asymptote to begin with?

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The short answer, if \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = c \end{align*} then you end up with \displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 = \frac{a}{(x + b)^2} \end{align*}. Is that possible to solve for x?

The long answer, consider the inverse relation. You should find that c becomes a vertical asymptote.
 
confusedatmath said:
the fraction gets smaller, but don't we end up adding that to the value of c??well if a/(x-b)^2 +c

let a=1 b=1 c=2

so we get

1/(x-1)^2 +2

lets make x =2

we get

1/1 +2 ... that's 3... wait am i doing something wrong?

- - - Updated - - -

oh wait is because in the above a is negative.. so

it would be -1+2 < 2 ...
The question was "what happens when x is large?" "2" is NOT large!

If x= 1000000, then 1/(1+ 1000000)+3= 3.000009999900000999990000099999 and for
 

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