Understanding How Dampers and Springs Work in Car Suspension Systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of dampers and springs in car suspension systems, exploring concepts such as forced and non-forced systems, the significance of calculating spring frequency, and the importance of motion equations in understanding these systems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the fundamental concepts of how dampers work with springs in suspension systems.
  • There is a distinction made between forced systems, which involve external forces acting on a mass, and non-forced systems, where only gravity acts on it.
  • One participant explains that the frequency of a spring is important because it relates to resonance frequency, which can amplify motion under certain conditions.
  • It is suggested that the equations of motion are crucial for identifying resonance frequency and for understanding how to mitigate its effects.
  • The role of dampers is described as providing a force that opposes motion, thereby attenuating motion and helping the system come to rest.
  • Various forms of damping are mentioned, including friction from air resistance, internal friction in materials, and fluid dynamics in shock absorbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and remains unresolved on several aspects, particularly regarding the nuances of forced versus non-forced systems and the implications of resonance frequency.

Contextual Notes

Participants express a desire for non-academic explanations and fundamental understanding, indicating a potential gap in assumptions about prior knowledge and context.

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Hi guys. It could be an easy question but I started at the deepest. I wonder how it works like a car suspension system. How does damper work with spring? What is the difference between forced-nonforced systems? Why do we calculate frequency of spring? What does it provide us? What is the point at writing motion equation? I need backup a little bit. I already thank you.
 
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Thanks DEvens. I just wanted to some nonacademical info because I've already reviewed lots of site as yours. I wanted to talk fundamental concept. I have books :) I will consider your words. I will focus on just one topic.
 
Spacexplorer said:
What is the difference between forced-nonforced systems?

That would be a free system where only the gravity acts on it:

Animated-mass-spring.gif
A forced system would have an exterior force that would push and/or pull the mass (perhaps someone's hand or road disturbances on a moving vehicle).

Spacexplorer said:
Why do we calculate frequency of spring? What does it provide us? What is the point at writing motion equation?

One fascinating thing about a forced system, is that if you set the force at a certain frequency (like pushing a kid on a swing), you can observe that the motion amplitude will increase under that force, sometime until the spring breaks. We call this frequency the resonance frequency of the system (not just the spring).

Why do we care? Here is the typical example to demonstrate what can happen under this phenomena (the bridge's own weight represents the mass, its structure represents the spring stiffness plus some damping and a small wind creating turbulences under and over the bridge at the critical frequency is the force «gently» pushing the bridge):



So now the questions are «Why?», «How do we identify this frequency?» and «How can we attenuate the phenomena?» The answer lies in the equations of motion, hence their importance.

Spacexplorer said:
How does damper work with spring?

The damper provides the force that goes against the motion and can thus attenuate the amplification and slows down the motion until the mass goes to rest (without damping, the motion never stops, like in the previous animation).

The damping is almost always provided by some form of friction to take energy from the system:
  • The surrounding air acting against the mass will eventually slow down the motion;
  • In the elastic hysteresis of rubber, energy will be dissipated due to material internal friction;
  • A shock absorber will force a fluid passing through a small valve;
  • etc.
 
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Thank you very much for your comment. It was very illuminative knowledge for me.
P.S The video is the best :D
 

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