Understanding Hund's Second Rule: What is a Singlet or Triplet?

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The discussion centers around Hund's Second Rule, specifically its implications for electron configurations in multi-electron atoms, including the concepts of singlet and triplet states. Participants explore the relationship between orbital angular momentum and spin, as well as the significance of spectroscopic notation in describing these states.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on Hund's Second Rule, suggesting it involves maximizing orbital angular momentum (##l##) after maximizing spin (##s##).
  • Another participant corrects the first by distinguishing between orbital angular momentum (##l##) and magnetic quantum number (##m_l##), explaining how to derive total orbital angular momentum (##L##) from the two electrons in a 3p configuration.
  • Discussion includes the definitions of singlet (##S=0##) and triplet (##S=1##) states, with a focus on how the first rule indicates that triplet states are generally lower in energy.
  • Participants discuss the possible terms for the 3p^2 configuration, noting that the ground state is 3P due to the absence of other triplet terms.
  • Questions arise regarding the meaning of spectroscopic notation (##^{2S+1}L_J##) and how spin configurations relate to total orbital angular momentum (##L##).
  • One participant inquires why certain terms like 3S do not exist, leading to an explanation involving the Pauli exclusion principle and the need to consider microstates.
  • Clarifications are made about how specific microstates contribute to the formation of terms like 3P and why certain configurations are not possible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding Hund's Second Rule and its application, with some clarifying points while others raise questions. No consensus is reached on all aspects of the discussion, particularly regarding the implications of microstates and the existence of certain terms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of quantum numbers and the relationship between spin and orbital angular momentum. The discussion also highlights the complexity of determining allowed terms based on the Pauli exclusion principle and microstate analysis.

McLaren Rulez
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Can anyone explain the second rule, because the Wikipedia page is not very clear?

Hund's zeroth rule - Ignore all inner shells and focus on the outermost shell.
Hund's first rule - Put the electrons such that they maximize spin, ##s##.

So far so good. Hund's second rule appears to be simply that the we should maximize ##l## (after rule 1). That is, if I have say ##3p^2##, then the two electrons should be in ##l=1## and ##l=0##. Is there anything more to it than that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hund's_rules talks about singlets and triplets and that the second rule is never used until Ti. I don't understand either of these statements. What is the meaning of singlets and triplets in this context? Also, in my example above, we used Hund's second rule for a 3p orbital so why is Ti the lowest element where this rule is used? Thank you.
 
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McLaren Rulez said:
So far so good. Hund's second rule appears to be simply that the we should maximize ##l## (after rule 1). That is, if I have say ##3p^2##, then the two electrons should be in ##l=1## and ##l=0##. Is there anything more to it than that?
You are mixing up ##l## and ##m_l##. If you have 3p2, then you have two electrons with ##l=1##. When you add up the two orbital angular momenta with ##l=1##, you can get ##L=2, 1, 0##, so the second rule would tell you that the ground state would be ##L=2##. (This is not actually the case for 3p2 because of the first rule, see below.)

McLaren Rulez said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hund's_rules talks about singlets and triplets and that the second rule is never used until Ti. I don't understand either of these statements. What is the meaning of singlets and triplets in this context? Also, in my example above, we used Hund's second rule for a 3p orbital so why is Ti the lowest element where this rule is used? Thank you.
A term with ##S=0## is called is singlet (because ##2S+1=1##) while a term with ##S=1## is called a triplet (because ##2S+1=3##). The first rule tells you that the triplet will be lowest in energy. In the case of 3p2, the possible terms are 3P, 1D, and 1S. Therefore, by the first rule, the ground state is 3P. Since there are no other triplet terms, you don't need the second rule. It is only when you have two d electrons that multiplicity alone will not tell you which is the ground state.
 
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DrClaude said:
A term with ##S=0## is called is singlet (because ##2S+1=1##) while a term with ##S=1## is called a triplet (because ##2S+1=3##). The first rule tells you that the triplet will be lowest in energy. In the case of 3p2, the possible terms are 3P, 1D, and 1S. Therefore, by the first rule, the ground state is 3P. Since there are no other triplet terms, you don't need the second rule. It is only when you have two d electrons that multiplicity alone will not tell you which is the ground state.

Thank you for your reply. Can I check what exactly 3P, 1D, and 1S notation means? Sorry, if this is an obvious question but I'm guessing the 3 and the 1 refer to the triplet and the singlet but what are the P, D, and S?
 
Spectroscopic notation: ##^{2S+1}L_J##, with ##S## the total spin, ##L## the total orbital angular momentum, and ##J## the total angular momentum. ##L## is expressed as a capital letter, similar to single-electron orbitals. In what I wrote, I omitted the possible values of ##J## (you need the third Hund rule to find which ##J## for the ground state).
 
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DrClaude said:
Spectroscopic notation: ##^{2S+1}L_J##, with ##S## the total spin, ##L## the total orbital angular momentum, and ##J## the total angular momentum. ##L## is expressed as a capital letter, similar to single-electron orbitals.
Thank you. Sorry to ask more questions but how did you know that ##^3P, ^1D##, and ##^1S## were the available options? In other words, why is it that the way spin adds up also determine ##L##? For example, why can I not have ##S=1## and ##L=0## which is the state ##^3S## in spectroscopic notation?
 
McLaren Rulez said:
Thank you. Sorry to ask more questions but how did you know that ##^3P, ^1D##, and ##^1S## were the available options? In other words, why is it that the way spin adds up also determine ##L##? For example, why can I not have ##S=1## and ##L=0## which is the state ##^3S## in spectroscopic notation?
There is no 3S because of the Pauli exclusion principle. The only way to figure this out is to write all possible microstates (combinations of ##m_l## and ##m_s##), and then see which terms they lead to.

Have a look at https://www.academia.edu/28235099/Term_symbols_for_multi-electron_atoms for more information on how to do that,
 
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DrClaude said:
There is no 3S because of the Pauli exclusion principle. The only way to figure this out is to write all possible microstates (combinations of ##m_l## and ##m_s##), and then see which terms they lead to.

Have a look at https://www.academia.edu/28235099/Term_symbols_for_multi-electron_atoms for more information on how to do that,
Thank you for the detailed document. I think I mostly get it except for how the ##L## value is known from a given ##M_L##. If I look at the microstates, for example, the fifth one in your table ##M_L = 0## but the ##L## value of this can be either ##0, 1## or ##2##. How is it that it is labelled as ##^3P## and not ##^3S##?
 
McLaren Rulez said:
Thank you for the detailed document. I think I mostly get it except for how the ##L## value is known from a given ##M_L##. If I look at the microstates, for example, the fifth one in your table ##M_L = 0## but the ##L## value of this can be either ##0, 1## or ##2##. How is it that it is labelled as ##^3P## and not ##^3S##?
##^3##P is made up of ##M_L = 1, 0, -1## with ##M_S = 1, 0, -1##, you need all those microstates to form the term. Once you have used the microstate with ##M_L=0## and ##M_S=1## to build up ##^3##P, there is no such microstate left to make a ##^3##S. That's why have have to form the terms starting from the highest value of ##L##.
 
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Ah I see! Thank you a million DrClaude. You've really helped me finally get it!
 

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