Understanding Integration: Solving a Tricky Calculus Problem

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the integration of a polynomial expression. The original poster presents an integral with specific limits and expresses confusion regarding their solution compared to a reference answer in a textbook.

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  • Participants explore the steps of integration, including expanding the polynomial and factoring out constants. Questions arise about the correctness of the original poster's calculations and the interpretation of constants within the integral.

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Some participants provide guidance on the integration process, pointing out potential mistakes in the original poster's approach. There is acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the steps taken during integration, and the discussion reflects a collaborative effort to identify errors without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the importance of writing out steps in calculations to facilitate understanding and correction of mistakes. The original poster's uncertainty about notation and limits is also highlighted as a point of discussion.

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Dear all,

Sorry for the silly integration question. I haven't done calculus in ages and my memory has got really rusty! ='(

The integral question is as follows:

[tex]\int\ (X_1-\frac{X_2}{2})^2(\frac{1}{X_2}) dX_1[/tex]

Sorry, I could not figure out how to insert the limits on my intergral. It is from 0 to [tex]X_2[/tex].

My answer is:

= [tex]\int\ (\frac{X_1^2}{X_2}-X_1 + {\frac{X^2}{4}) dX_1[/tex]

Which, after integrating, becomes

[tex](\frac{X_2^2}{3}-1/2X_2^2 + X_2^2/8 ][/tex]

In the end, I get -X2^2/24, but the answer in the book is X2^2/12. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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flying_young said:
Dear all,

Sorry for the silly integration question. I haven't done calculus in ages and my memory has got really rusty! ='(

The integral question is as follows:

[tex]\int\ (X_1-\frac{X_2}{2})^2(\frac{1}{X_2}) dX_1[/tex]

Sorry, I could not figure out how to insert the limits on my intergral. It is from 0 to [tex]X_2[/tex].

My answer is:

= [tex]\int\ (\frac{X_1^2}{X_2}-X_1 + {\frac{X^2}{4}) dX_1[/tex]

Which, after integrating, becomes

[tex](\frac{X_2^2}{3}-1/2X_2^2 + X_2^2/8 ][/tex]

In the end, I get -X2^2/24, but the answer in the book is X2^2/12. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for your help!

So let me rewrite what you have:

[tex]\int_{0}^{X_2} \left( X_1 - \frac{X_2}{2}\right)^2\frac{1}{X_2} dX_1[/tex]

Note that you can take [tex]\frac{1}{X_2}[/tex] outside of the integral since it's a constant w.r.t. [tex]X_1[/tex] (as well as taking out the [tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex])

So expanding out the square we get:

[tex]\frac{1}{4X_2} \int_{0}^{X_2} 4X_{1}^{2} - 4X_{1}X_{2} + X_{2}^{2} dX_{1} = \frac{1}{4X_2} \left( \frac{4X_{1}^{3}}{3} - 2X_{1}^{2}X_{2} + X_{1}X_{2}^{2} \right)_{0}^{X_2}[/tex]

And finally plugging in the limits we get

[tex]\frac{1}{4X_2} \left(\frac{4}{3}X_{2}^{3} - 2X_{2}^{3} + X_{2}^{3} \right) = \frac{1}{12} X_{2}^{2}[/tex]
 
Just a side note the notation that you can with limits is

\int_{a}^{b} f(x) dx or \sum_{i=0}^{n} p(x)
 
NoMoreExams, that was nicely done but after making the point that X2 was a constant and that you can multiply the square out (or make the substitution v= X1- X2/2) it would have been better to let flying young finish the problem himself.
 
Good point, I will do so in the future.
 
Thank you, NoMoreExams! I finally figured out what I did wrong - a silly integration mistake! Thanks again! You have been an immense help.
 
I know very much to treat X2 as a constant, but if NoMoreExams hasn't written out his steps, I wouldn't have figured out where I have gone wrong in the midst of calculations. I do understand from your stance that simply giving out the answer would do one no good. Perhaps in the future, I will be sure to write out my steps and have the pros here point out what I have done wrong. Thank you!

HallsofIvy said:
NoMoreExams, that was nicely done but after making the point that X2 was a constant and that you can multiply the square out (or make the substitution v= X1- X2/2) it would have been better to let flying young finish the problem himself.
 

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