Understanding Jacobian Matrices - Working Through Examples

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The discussion revolves around understanding Jacobian matrices, particularly through examples and clarifications of their structure and application in different contexts. Participants explore the definitions and dimensions of Jacobians in relation to functions of multiple variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in understanding Jacobian matrices through examples but struggles with more complex functions, indicating a desire for deeper comprehension.
  • Another participant clarifies that a "system" typically refers to multiple functions, and explains that the Jacobian matrix's dimensions depend on the number of variables and outputs.
  • A third participant generalizes the concept by stating that each function contributes partial derivatives, which form the Jacobian matrix, describing local behavior around a point.
  • Another suggestion is made to view Jacobians as coordinate representations of differentials of functions.

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Participants generally agree on the structure of Jacobian matrices and their relation to functions of multiple variables, but there is some confusion regarding the terminology and the definition of "systems" in this context. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants clarify concepts without reaching a consensus on the initial confusion expressed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding related to the definitions of systems of functions and the specific examples used, which may lead to varying interpretations of the Jacobian's structure.

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I get the idea of Jacobian matrices. I think. Working through different examples, I don't have any problems.

For example,

f1 = x^2 + y^2
f2 = 3x + 4y

would result in

[2x 2y]
[3 4]

Similarly, by my understanding, something like

x^2 + y^2
3y + 4x

would result in

[2x 2y]
[4 3]

But when going up to systems like, say

f1 = x + x^2 + x^3 + y

...I'm baffled. I don't see how that could work. I'm under the impression that the Jacobian matrix should have two columns, but I'd have four there. I've had great difficulty finding any examples or explanations online, and I suspect my problem is I don't really understand them to begin with. And I really want to understand the math behind this, because otherwise I'm not really getting it.

Thanks!
 
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What do you mean by "systems" like that? A single formula is not really a system is it?

In any case, the Jacobean of a function from Rm (m variables) to Rn (n values) is an m by n matrix- there are m columns, one for each variable, and n rows, one for each value. Yes, your first two examples are from R2 to R2 and so are 2 by 2 matrices as you show.

Your third example is from R2 (two variables, x and y) to R1 (one value, f1) and so would be a "2 by 1" matrix, with two rows and one column:
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1+2x+ 3x^2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 
To generalize: for each function f_i (x1,...,xn) that you have, you will have n
partial derivatives; one partial with respect to each variable.

This matrix describes the linear map that approximates the change of the function
in the neighborhood of a point, just like f'(x) does, in a map f:R-->R.
 
I suggest you understand Jacobians as coordinate representations of the differentials of functions.
 
Thanks guys! That helps a lot. :) Sorry for my lack of clarity with that third example, though.
 

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