Understanding laser power terminology

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the terminology and calculations related to laser power, particularly in the context of LIDAR systems and their use of pulsed lasers in atmospheric research. Participants explore the differences in power measurements, the significance of pulse duration, and the relationship between energy (joules) and power (watts).

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that LIDAR systems typically use lasers with power in the millijoule range, questioning the high cost of such lasers compared to cheaper laser diodes.
  • One participant suggests that the difference in cost may relate to the characteristics of pulsed lasers versus continuous wave lasers.
  • Another participant explains that pulsed lasers can achieve high peak power due to short pulse durations, providing an example calculation for a 25 mJ pulse delivered in 2 ns, resulting in a peak power of approximately 12.5 MW.
  • There is a request for clarification on the formula to convert joules to watts, with participants discussing the implications of pulse duration on average power calculations.
  • Participants debate the average power of a 100 W laser pulsed for 100 nanoseconds, with one asserting that insufficient information is provided to determine the average power without knowing the firing rate.
  • Another participant confirms that if a 100 W laser fires a single pulse of 100 ns, the average power would be significantly lower than the peak power.
  • There is a discussion about the energy per pulse and how to calculate total energy based on pulse frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of laser power terminology and calculations, particularly regarding average versus peak power and the implications of pulse duration. No consensus is reached on the specific calculations or the significance of the differences discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the firing rates of lasers and the definitions of average versus peak power, which are not fully resolved. Participants also clarify the relationship between joules and watts, but some calculations remain contested.

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I see that many LIDAR systems use power in the millijoule range in atmospheric research. A typical number is 25 millijoules. 25 millijoules is equal to 25 milliwatt/seconds. This means 25 milliwatts for one second. This seems like a tiny amount of power, yet a 25 millijoule laser costs many thousands of dollars. This does not make sense as you can buy a 25 milliwatt laser diode that will easily run for one second and it costs just a few dollars.
What is the difference?
 
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pyroartist said:
I see that many LIDAR systems use power in the millijoule range in atmospheric research. A typical number is 25 millijoules. 25 millijoules is equal to 25 milliwatt/seconds.

do you have a link or two to that so we can see what you are referring to and to make sure you are interpreting it correctly :smile:
 
pyroartist said:
What is the difference?
I suspect the difference is in the LI vs the DAR.
 
LIDARS use pulsed lasers. The shorter the pulse, the better the spatial resolution. Since a typical pulse may last a few nanoseconds the peak power is quite large. For example, if the 25 mJ are delivered in a 2 ns pulse, the average power is about 12.5 MW. The 25 mJ aren't delivered in one second but in a very short time, that's why a simple laser diode isn't up to the task.
 
Thank you Gordianus for a serious answer! How did you compute 12.5 megaWatts from 25 millijoules? What is the formula to convert joules to watts.
For example, what is the power of a 100 Watt laser pulsed for 100 nanoseconds? 10 mJ. ?
 
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pyroartist said:
25 millijoules is equal to 25 milliwatt/seconds. This means 25 milliwatts for one second.
For the frst sentence you mean 25 millijoules is equal to 25 milliwatt second.
The formula to convert joules to watts is 1 Watt = 1 Joule / second

So: a 25 mJ, 1 nanosecond wide pulse each second represents a peak power of 25 MW (big M means Mega, 1000000 -- small m means milli, 1/1000) but an average power of 25 mW.
 
pyroartist said:
what is the power of a 100 Watt laser pulsed for 100 nanoseconds? 10 mJ.
Insufficient information:
  1. if it fires 1000 times per second, you would get 1000 times a much average power as when it fires once per second.
  2. you don't say whether it is average 100 W or peak 100 W
If you call a 100 W laser a 100 W laser, its power is 100 W, isn't it :smile:

Now, suppose it's 100 W peak and it fires one 100 ns wide pulse once per second. Average power is then
100 W * 100 ns = ##10^2 * 100 \times 10^{-9} = 10^{-5} ## W = 0.01 mW.
 
BvU, so how many Joules is that? I think it is the same answer: 10 uJ. Is that correct?
 
Per pulse you get 10 ##\mu##J, yes. And 10 ##\mu##J per second is 10 ##\mu##W
 
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OK, got in now. Watts X pulse length = Joules If more than one pulse per second then multiply Joules X number of pulses per second to get total energy.
Thanks..
 

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