Understanding Linear Spaces: Differences from Vector Spaces and Euclidean Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear spaces and their relationship to vector spaces and Euclidean spaces. The original poster seeks clarification on the definitions and the necessary conditions to demonstrate that a given set is a linear space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definitions of linear spaces and vector spaces, questioning whether proving axioms for a specific set is sufficient. There is discussion about theorems related to subspaces and the implications of these theorems on proving properties of the set L.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and theorems related to linear spaces and vector spaces. Some guidance has been offered regarding theorems that simplify the proof process, while others are questioning how these theorems apply to the specific case of set L.

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There is an emphasis on the need to show that the subset is non-empty and that the presence of the zero vector is a common requirement in proving that a set is a vector space. Participants are considering the implications of these requirements in their proofs.

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I have a question that asks me to show that something is a linear space. but what is a linear space exactly and how does it differ from vector space or euclidian space?
 
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It's the same thing as a vector space. Some people even call it a linear vector space.
 
ok. so to simply prove that something is a linear space I just have to show that all the axioms of a linear (vector) space hold?

I am given the definition of L which is the set of all vectors z that has inner product of 0 with vectors w for all vectors w in the linear span of x.

in this case I just have to show that all the axioms hold for L?
ie
z1+ z2 = z2 + z1 etc..?
 
Yes, that would work. An alternative (that means more work now, but less work in the future) is to prove the following theorem first, and then use it every time you have to solve a problem like this.

Suppose that V is a vector space and that U is a subset of V. Then U is a (linear/vector) subspace of V if and only if the 0 vector of V is a member of U, and U is closed under linear combinations. (The latter condition means that for all numbers a,b and all x,y in V, ax+by is a member of V).

This result simplifies your task a lot, since it tells you that you only need to check two things.
 
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I have learned that theorem, but how would it apply here? I'm asked to prove that L is a vector space itself, so shouldn't I use the definition of a vector/Linear space itself to show that it indeed is a vector space? ie proving the axioms for all elements in L?
 
Kuma said:
I have learned that theorem, but how would it apply here? I'm asked to prove that L is a vector space itself, so shouldn't I use the definition of a vector/Linear space itself to show that it indeed is a vector space? ie proving the axioms for all elements in L?
A subspace is by definition a vector space, so if you just show that 0 is in L and that L is closed under linear combinations, then the theorem ensures that L is a vector space. And in this case, you said that your L was defined as a set of "vectors". To me that can only mean that L is defined as a subset of a vector space, but perhaps you didn't mean to imply that by using the word "vectors".

After some thought, I prefer this version of the theorem over the one I mentioned in my previous post:

Suppose that V is a vector space and that U is a subset of V. Then the following statements are equivalent:

(a) U is a vector space.
(b) For all a,b in ℝ and x,y in U, ax+by is in U.
(c) For all a in ℝ and x,y in U, ax and x+y are in U.

This theorem gives us a nice way to define the term "subspace". Suppose that V is a vector space. A subset U of V is said to be a subspace of V if the equivalent conditions of the theorem are satisfied.

Edit: The requirement that 0 is in U is unnecessary, because the requirement that ax+by is in U for all a,b in ℝ and x,y in U implies that 0=0x+0y is in U.
 
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Fredrik said:
Edit: The requirement that 0 is in U is unnecessary, because the requirement that ax+by is in U for all a,b in ℝ and x,y in U implies that 0=0x+0y is in U.
However, you still need to prove that subset is non-empty and typically the simplest way to do that is to prove that 0 is in the set.
 
HallsofIvy said:
However, you still need to prove that subset is non-empty and typically the simplest way to do that is to prove that 0 is in the set.
Ah, good point. Thanks. All vector spaces have a member denoted by 0, so no vector space is empty. That makes my (a) not equivalent to (b) and (c), since U=∅ satisfies (b) and (c) but not (a). So I need to add something like U≠∅ to (b) and (c)...but it looks nicer to require that 0 is in U.
 

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