Understanding Negative t Coordinates in Lorentz Transformations

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of negative time coordinates in Lorentz transformations, exploring the implications for the metric in special relativity and the geometric representation of spacetime. Participants engage in clarifying the mathematical and conceptual foundations of these transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the time coordinate has a negative sign in Lorentz transformations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the sign pertains to the velocity (v) rather than the time (t), indicating that the direction of the boost affects the sign.
  • A different participant references the metric, stating that the negative sign is necessary for preserving the "length" under Lorentz transformations.
  • Further elaboration suggests that a positive sign in the metric would lead to different measurements of spacetime intervals by different observers.
  • Another participant relates the negative sign to the geometric interpretation of spacetime, describing it as the leg of a triangle rather than the hypotenuse, and suggests using the Pythagorean theorem for understanding the relationships in spacetime diagrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the negative sign in the context of Lorentz transformations and the metric. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of these signs or their geometric interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the geometric interpretation of spacetime and the definitions of the metric are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification and discussion.

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In lorentz transformation,
why has t -sign
 
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The sign doesn't go on the t but on the v. Depending on direction of your boost you can have either +vt or -vt.
 
i mean for the metric,
s2=-t2+x2+y2+z2.

I beg your pardon if i did not get you. Would you mind to clarify.
 
Oh, in the metric the sign is negative because you want a "length" which is preserved under the natural transformations of the space (Lorentz transformations in this case).

ds^2=dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 would not be preserved under a Lorentz transformation. The version with the minus sign is. In other words, ds with the minus sign definition is something that all observers would agree on, but ds with the plus sign definition, different observers would measure different ds's.
 
dpa said:
In lorentz transformation,
why has t -sign

Because it is the leg of a triangle that is being computed, not the hypotenuse. Google "special relativity space-time diagram" to study how to interpret the sketch below. We have red and blue guys moving in opposite directions at the same relativistic speed relative to the black coordinates. The blue guy uses the equation to compute the length of some object in the red guy's coordinates. Then, it's the red leg of the triangle that's being computed.

Given the way the coordinates are oriented for red and blue in special relativity, you can identify a right triangle--then just use Pythagorean theorem and solve for the red length. dX1'^2 +dX4^2 = dX1^2. Or, use vector addition as shown.
Minkowski_Vectors2.jpg
 
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matterwave and bobc2
 

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