Understanding Non-Relativistic Path Integral Formulation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the non-relativistic path integral formulation in quantum mechanics, focusing on the computation of the weight function and the integration process involving position measurements. Participants explore theoretical aspects and seek clarification on specific computational methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the weight function exp[i/h S] should be computed between the times of first and second measurements.
  • Another participant suggests that the weight function should indeed be computed for position measurements, outlining a step-by-step process for evaluating the probability amplitude of a localized particle.
  • There is confusion regarding how to express the integral in terms of x1, x2, x3, with one participant noting that the book describes them as points for a Riemann sum but then presents an integral over all of them.
  • A participant explains that the completeness relation for position eigenstates allows for summing over all possible intermediate positions (x2) when calculating the probability amplitude from x1 to x3.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the mathematical definition of the integration process and mentions the lattice approximation as a safer method for performing path integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to compute the weight function for position measurements, but there remains uncertainty regarding the mathematical formulation and integration process, indicating that multiple views and interpretations exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the definitions and roles of x1, x2, and x3 in the context of the path integral, as well as the mathematical rigor of the integration process, suggesting limitations in the clarity of the source material.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and researchers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring path integral formulations and seeking detailed computational examples.

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I'm doing a project for my quantu class on the non-relativistic path integral formulation. I took out "quantum mechanics and path integrals" feynmann, but he doesn't seem to like explaining explicitly how certain results are obtained...

so my two main questions are should the weight function exp[i/h S] be computed between the time of first measurement and the time of second measurement?

and also how do you put the integral into terms of x1,x2,x3... I don't really understand how these are defined, in the book he seemed to be describing them as points for a riemann sum but then he wrote an integral with respect to all of them and I got lost.


do you merely commput the action for some path x1(t) integrate and then attempt to integrate then multiply it by the weight function comuted for x2 and integrate with respect to x2 and simply continue this process until your done?
 
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You can see this book:Quantum Field Theory,Lewis H.Ryder.It may help you to understand your questions
 
There is an old QM text by Beard that gives a silmple treatment of the path integral approach.
 
I'm primarily looking for a book that has at least one example of some simple case worked out in gory detail, just because rightnow while I know what the equation for a path integral is I have absolutely no idea how to compute it for anything.

do either of those books have the soething like that in them.
 
CPL.Luke said:
so my two main questions are should the weight function exp[i/h S] be computed between the time of first measurement and the time of second measurement?

Yes. For position measurements. What you actually want to do is:
1) start with a localized particle
2) let it evolve for a small time
3) examine where the particle could be now
4) for every place where it could be, repeat from step 2
5) ...until you reach your destination time
6) where you judge the probability amplitude to find the particle localized again somewhere

CPL.Luke said:
and also how do you put the integral into terms of x1,x2,x3... I don't really understand how these are defined, in the book he seemed to be describing them as points for a riemann sum but then he wrote an integral with respect to all of them and I got lost.

By means of the completeness relation for position eigenstates. This basically says: if the particle goes from x1 to x2 to x3 then the probability amplitude to go from x1 to x3 without knowing where x2 is, is a sum over all x2. It's simple: since you don't know where x2 is, you have to take every possibility into account.

CPL.Luke said:
do you merely commput the action for some path x1(t) integrate and then attempt to integrate then multiply it by the weight function comuted for x2 and integrate with respect to x2 and simply continue this process until your done?
You can think of it this way, but I guess this would be mathematically ill-defined. The (relatively) safe way to do the path integral is by the time slices (=lattice approximation) Feynman or every other textbook explains. Somehow one's considering all paths at once.
 
ah that helps a lot, I'll go back and tr to work out the free particle again, and see if I can get the books answer
 

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