Understanding Photon Interference: A Look at Wavelength and Molecule Distance

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The discussion centers on the concept of photon interference, particularly in relation to the wavelength of photons and the distance between molecules. Participants explore the nature of interference patterns produced by photons and the implications of wavelength on energy and interaction with matter.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the wavelength of a red photon is approximately 630 nanometers, while the average distance between molecules is about 0.1 nanometers, suggesting a significant scale difference.
  • There is a discussion about what constitutes interference between photons, with some asserting that interference patterns arise when multiple streams of photons interact, leading to areas of reinforcement and cancellation.
  • One participant mentions that smaller wavelengths correspond to higher energy photons, which could potentially interact with matter in ways that lead to absorption or transmission through barriers.
  • Another participant clarifies that electromagnetic waves, rather than individual photons, are the entities that interfere with each other.
  • X-rays and gamma rays are mentioned as examples of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths smaller than 0.1 nanometers, with distinctions based on their sources rather than their wavelengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photon interference and the role of electromagnetic waves versus individual photons. There is no consensus on the definitions and implications of these concepts.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of interference and the behavior of photons, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between wavelength, energy, and interaction with matter that are not fully resolved.

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edguy99 said:
Dont forget your perspective here. The wavelength of a red photon is 630 nanometers, the distance where you start to see interference between photons. The average distance between molecules is only about 0.1 nanometers, some 6000X smaller.

Hi, ed. Could you explain what you mean by interference between photons? Is there a wavelength smaller than 0.1nm for EM radiation?
 
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tionis said:
Hi, ed. Could you explain what you mean by interference between photons? Is there a wavelength smaller than 0.1nm for EM radiation?

What is interference between photons? - If you shoot a second stream of 630nm photons, you see wave like interference patterns that suggest something periodic of that size. Some photons reinforce other photons and it looks bright. Some photons interfere with other photons and you can't see anything at all.

Smaller size? - sure you can start with a smaller wavelength photon. But smaller wavelength means higher energy. If you get small enough, the photon will have enough energy to blast itself right through the wall.

Also don't forget that you cannot "squeeze" photons to make them smaller. Photons either crash into something where they disappear and transfer their energy to a molecule; or certain crystals can split them in 2, but produce two photons at 1/2 the energy and twice the wavelength (bigger).
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edguy99 said:
What is interference between photons? - If you shoot a second stream of 630nm photons, you see wave like interference patterns that suggest something periodic of that size. Some photons reinforce other photons and it looks bright. Some photons interfere with other photons and you can't see anything at all.
EM waves interfere with each other, not photons.
 
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Hi, ed. Could you explain what you mean by interference between photons? Is there a wavelength smaller than 0.1nm for EM radiation?
X-rays typically have wavelengths in the range of 0.01-10 nm. Gamma rays are usually below 0.01nm, but the distinction between the two is usually given by the source of the radiation, not on the wavelength.
 

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