Understanding Pressure Drop and Damping Force Calculation in Shock Absorbers

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical modeling of shock absorbers, specifically focusing on calculating the damping force related to pressure drops across orifices and the associated fluid dynamics. Participants are exploring concepts such as discharge coefficients, pressure differences due to fluid acceleration, and friction losses in orifices.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate between pressure drops due to fluid acceleration and those caused by friction in orifices. They question how to calculate the total pressure at the piston face when multiple orifices are involved. Additionally, they inquire whether the pressure drop calculated using the discharge coefficient is equivalent to pipe friction losses or head loss.

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Some participants have acknowledged the need for conceptual understanding rather than specific calculations. There is an indication that further clarification on the relationship between pressure drops and fluid dynamics is being sought, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretations presented.

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The original poster expresses confusion stemming from various analyses and literature on the topic, indicating a potential lack of foundational understanding. They also mention that their inquiry is not based on a specific textbook problem, which may affect the context of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I need to complete a mathematical model of a shock absorber, not in the frequency sense but by calculating the damping force due to the resistance in the valves.

For an orifice there seems to be two ways of calculating the force/pressure drop
1). Discharge coefficient, this results a value for pressure drop.
I am having a hard time understanding whether pressure drop is the pressure difference required to accelerate the liquid to a higher velocity (in the smaller area) or whether it is due to the friction in the orifice.

For example if i wanted to calculate the damper force and had two orifices in series, P1 being pressure before orifice 1, P2 being the pressure in between the two orifices and P3 being the pressure after third orifice. Would I have to work backwards from P3 to find the pressure at the piston face (P1)? by calculating pressure drop from p2 - p3 then p1 - p2. Then sum all the pressure drops to find the total piston face pressure?

2). Piple loss mehod

Is pressure drop from 1). the same as 'pipe friction losses' or head loss? Do i need to sum head loss with the pressure required to accelerate the fluid through the orifice ?

Thank you in advance!

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Many thesis' analyse and I get more and more confused about the concept.
 
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Tommtb said:

Homework Statement


I need to complete a mathematical model of a shock absorber, not in the frequency sense but by calculating the damping force due to the resistance in the valves.

For an orifice there seems to be two ways of calculating the force/pressure drop
1). Discharge coefficient, this results a value for pressure drop.
I am having a hard time understanding whether pressure drop is the pressure difference required to accelerate the liquid to a higher velocity (in the smaller area) or whether it is due to the friction in the orifice.

For example if i wanted to calculate the damper force and had two orifices in series, P1 being pressure before orifice 1, P2 being the pressure in between the two orifices and P3 being the pressure after third orifice. Would I have to work backwards from P3 to find the pressure at the piston face (P1)? by calculating pressure drop from p2 - p3 then p1 - p2. Then sum all the pressure drops to find the total piston face pressure?

2). Piple loss mehod

Is pressure drop from 1). the same as 'pipe friction losses' or head loss? Do i need to sum head loss with the pressure required to accelerate the fluid through the orifice ?

Thank you in advance!

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The Attempt at a Solution


Many thesis' analyse and I get more and more confused about the concept.
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Please show us the work you have done, so we can help you with this problem.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Please show us the work you have done, so we can help you with this problem.

Hi there, well it's not a specific textbook question, it's more about the conceptual understanding of it, I don't have any workings to show because it's all reading based.

Perhaps I didn't post this in the right section?
 
If the pipe cross section is the same each side of the orifice then any pressure difference is from frictional losses. Apart from that, there is a pressure drop entering the orifice to accelerate the fluid, but a corresponding pressure rise to decelerate it as it leaves.
 

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