Understanding Radioactivity Half Lives and Their Mechanism

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms of radioactivity, specifically focusing on the concept of half-lives in radioactive isotopes, with an emphasis on uranium. Participants explore the nature of radioactive decay, the randomness of decay events, and the implications of these properties on the half-life of isotopes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanism behind radioactivity and why uranium has long half-lives, suggesting that densely packed radiation might influence decay rates.
  • Another participant explains that radioactive decay is a random process and that half-lives can only be measured accurately in large samples, emphasizing the average probability of decay.
  • A claim is made that the long half-life of uranium is due to its inertial properties rather than interactions between densely packed nuclei.
  • It is noted that while the activity of a sample can change with the number of nuclei, the half-life itself remains constant regardless of how the material is distributed.
  • One participant mentions that a significant mass of depleted uranium is needed to produce emissions, and that alpha particles are unlikely to reach handlers unless the material is aerosolized.
  • Another participant provides additional context about the natural isotopes of uranium, detailing their respective half-lives and the prevalence of these isotopes in nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms influencing half-lives and the implications of radioactive decay. There is no consensus on the initial assumptions about the effects of density on decay rates, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the randomness of decay events and the limitations of extrapolating decay behavior from small samples. The discussion also touches on the dependence of half-lives on isotopic properties without resolving the complexities involved.

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Ive been thinking about this for a while, what is the exact mechanism for radioactivity that results in there being a half life.

Say you have a single radioactive isotope of Uranium, this particle would ultimately emit an alpha particle or some other form of radiation and thereby quickly returning to a stable element. However this does not happen, we have huge half lives for uranium which I presumed was because when densely packed enough, the radiation emmited by one would then increase another and therefore it would take a long time for it to spread to the outside.

But if this were the case, we could just spread out nuclear material over a very large surface area and reduce its half life significantly. But this is incorrect by what I've heard that you can't reduce or change half lives.

can anyone fill me in on what I am missing?
 
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The "exact" mechanism for radioactive nucleis is that they decay randomly. You can't say when a certain nuclei will decay, but if you have a large sample (of the order 10^6 and bigger), you can empirrically measure the half life, the time when half of the sample has dissapeared, and relate that to the decay constant \lambda, which is the AVERAGE probablilty that a particle decays each unit time. You can never extrapolate this to a small number of nuclei (ex. 1 nuclei), since the ultimate process is random, but on large scales we can find averages.

Like when you roll a dice, you can never predict what ONE single throw will yield. But if you roll the dice 1000times, then you can say that approx 160 will be 1, 160 will be 2 etc.
(However the thing is more complicated with a nuclei, but this example may enlighten the difference between one signle trial and a large collection of trials).

"Say you have a single radioactive isotope of Uranium, this particle would ultimately emit an alpha particle or some other form of radiation and thereby quickly returning to a stable element. However this does not happen, we have huge half lives for uranium which I presumed was because when densely packed enough, the radiation emmited by one would then increase another and therefore it would take a long time for it to spread to the outside."

The sencence "we have huge half lives for uranium which I presumed was because when densely packed enough, the radiation emmited by one would then increase another and therefore it would take a long time for it to spread to the outside."

Is wrong, the long half life of Uranium is due to its inertial protperties (size, shape, shell effects etc)

nope you can't change half lives. You can change the activity by decreasing the number of nuclei (N). ( Activity is : A = \lambda N [/tex] ). And by spreading a sample over a larger volume, the intensity (number of particles emitted per area) is decreasing, but the half life don't change (if you still have a "large" number of nucleis per unit area of course), since you have less radioactive particles om each area, and then you get less emitted particle per area too of course.
 
Therefore, uranium is not particulary radioactive by itself. A large mass of depleted U is required to produce a significant amount of emissions but practically no alpha particles will reach a handler unless it is vaporized and breathed in.
 
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Ive been thinking about this for a while, what is the exact mechanism for radioactivity that results in there being a half life.

Say you have a single radioactive isotope of Uranium, this particle would ultimately emit an alpha particle or some other form of radiation and thereby quickly returning to a stable element. However this does not happen, we have huge half lives for uranium which I presumed was because when densely packed enough, the radiation emmited by one would then increase another and therefore it would take a long time for it to spread to the outside.

But if this were the case, we could just spread out nuclear material over a very large surface area and reduce its half life significantly. But this is incorrect by what I've heard that you can't reduce or change half lives.

can anyone fill me in on what I am missing?
Isotopes of any element will have a range of half-lives. Some long, some short.

Here is a nice overview of the natural radioactive decay series.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/radser.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/radact.html

Natural U is mostly U-238 (about 99.3%), with about 0.7% U-235. There will also be traces of U-234. U-238 has a half-life of ~4.5 billion years, while U-235 has a half-life of ~700 million yrs.

Another long-lived radioisotope is Th-232, which has a half-life of ~ 14 billion yrs.

The longer half-lived isotopes will survive long enough to be found in nature. The shorter the half-life, the smaller the amount found in nature.

Here is a useful resource for radionuclides - http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/
Place cursor over the chart and left click on a location of interest, then click on the 1 under the Zoom (top right) for details of a nuclide and its neighbors.
 

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