Are no chemical elements truly stable?

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The discussion centers on the stability of chemical elements and isotopes, particularly questioning whether any elements are truly stable or if they are merely radioactive with extremely long half-lives. Participants explore the factors that determine radioactivity, the stability of protons and neutrons, and the implications of proton decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Bismuth is radioactive, with its longest-lived isotope having a half-life of about 20 quintillion years, raising questions about the nature of stability in elements.
  • It is proposed that if there is enough energy for a decay, an isotope will eventually decay, but the stability of protons and neutrons remains uncertain.
  • Participants discuss that 90 nuclides are considered stable, while others may decay via various modes, but some have half-lives that are too long to measure.
  • A distinction is made between free neutrons, which are unstable, and neutrons within nuclei, which may be stable depending on the stability of protons.
  • One participant mentions that the decay of isolated protons is predicted by Grand Unified Theories (GUT), suggesting a connection between proton and neutron decay rates.
  • Another point raised is that unstable nuclides decay because it is energetically favorable, with references to nuclear binding energy and specific nuclides like Ni-62 being stable due to their binding energy.
  • Quantum-tunneling fusion is mentioned as an alternative decay mechanism, which is considered to be very slow in ordinary matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of isotopes and the implications of proton decay, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the nature of stability in chemical elements.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on the assumptions regarding the stability of protons and neutrons, as well as the definitions of stability and decay modes, which remain unresolved.

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I recently learned that Bismuth is actually radioactive with its longest lived isotope having a half-life of about 20 quintillion years.
(For source, see: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature01541)

As a very basic question, what determines whether an element/isotope will be radioactive? Is there something special about certain isotopes that makes them stable? Are no elements truly stable, but just have half-lives too long to accurately measure?
 
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jfizzix said:
As a very basic question, what determines whether an element/isotope will be radioactive?
If there is enough energy for a decay it will decay eventually.

It is unclear if protons (and neutrons) are stable or decay to other particles eventually. If they do (what is generally expected, but has never been measured) then all nuclei will decay eventually.
If we ignore that (or if they are stable) 90 nuclides are stable. As an example: You always have to put energy into a helium atom (both helium-3 and helium-4) to change it to something else. It cannot decay on its own.
56 additional nuclides cannot decay via the usual decay modes (alpha, beta, gamma) but could potentially decay via spontaneous fission. Their half-lives could be way beyond anything ever measurable.
107 additional nuclides can decay via one of the usual decay modes (typically alpha) but their half life is so long we have never observed a decay.
Wikipedia has a table and a list below.
 
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mfb said:
If there is enough energy for a decay it will decay eventually.

It is unclear if protons (and neutrons) are stable or decay to other particles eventually. If they do (what is generally expected, but has never been measured) then all nuclei will decay eventually.
If we ignore that (or if they are stable) 90 nuclides are stable. As an example: You always have to put energy into a helium atom (both helium-3 and helium-4) to change it to something else. It cannot decay on its own.
56 additional nuclides cannot decay via the usual decay modes (alpha, beta, gamma) but could potentially decay via spontaneous fission. Their half-lives could be way beyond anything ever measurable.
107 additional nuclides can decay via one of the usual decay modes (typically alpha) but their half life is so long we have never observed a decay.
Wikipedia has a table and a list below.

I'm sure you know this, but your post implies that It's not known whether or not neutrons are stable. Of course free neutrons are unstable.
 
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Free neutrons are unstable, sure, but neutrons in nuclei not necessarily. They are stable if and only if free protons are stable.
 
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I recently learned that Bismuth is actually radioactive with its longest lived isotope having a half-life of about 20 quintillion years.

That is true. That's around 3x shorter than the prediction - i.e. a sample of bismuth is about 3x as radioactive as was predicted. This was discovered by a group that wanted to do precision measurements using BGO (bismuth germanium oxide) and discovering that the detector itself was more radioactive than they anticipated.
 
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mfb said:
Free neutrons are unstable, sure, but neutrons in nuclei not necessarily. They are stable if and only if free protons are stable.

That's pretty interesting (specifically the second sentence), how does the argument for this go?
 
Every proposed proton decay goes to particles much lighter than a proton. So much lighter that you can add a pion to make a similar decay channel for neutrons, even if you don't find an easier decay for neutrons.
 
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First, a note on proton decay. This usually refers to the decay of isolated protons, and such decays are predicted by most Grand Unified Theories. Neutrons will also decay by GUT mechanisms, and at similar rates, because of their similar quark content. I will ignore GUT decay in the rest of this discussion, with "stability" meaning stability in the absence of GUT decays.

Unstable nuclides are unstable because it is energetically favorable for them to decay into some other nuclides. If it is not, then they will not decay. Nuclear Binding Energy and Nuclear binding energy - Wikipedia have more. The most tightly bound nuclide is Ni-62, followed by Fe-58 and Fe-56. So nickel-62 won't decay into anything.

An alternative to individual-nucleus decay is quantum-tunneling fusion, usually followed by some decay reaction. Such "pycnonuclear reactions" are VERY slow in ordinary matter, slower than some calculated GUT decays.
 
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