Understanding Randomness in Brownian Matter

Join the discussion
Ask a follow-up here, or get your own question answered by working scientists, mathematicians and engineers — people, not an autocomplete.
Real named experts · corrections over time · the nuance an AI answer skips
4 replies · 2K views
EntropicThinker
Messages
8
Reaction score
5
TL;DR
Can Brownian motion be predicted with advanced computing, and what implications does quantum mechanics have on its apparent randomness?
Video on Brownian matter that got me thinking

Brownian motion is a fundamental concept in physics, describing the random movement of particles suspended in a fluid. However, the apparent randomness of this motion is largely due to our limited understanding and computational power. As computational capabilities continue to advance, will it be possible to accurately predict the movement of particles in Brownian motion? If so, would this imply that the motion is deterministic, and what role would quantum mechanics play in our understanding of this phenomenon?
 
Reply
  • Skeptical
Likes   Reactions: PeroK
Physics news on Phys.org
A cubic cm of water weighs about 1 gram.
Water weighs around 18gm/mole.
So there are around 3*1022 molecules of water in a cubic cm.
Computational capabilities are nowhere near this.
 
Reply
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: FactChecker
It's not just the computational power that is needed. A completely accurate prediction would require complete knowledge of the type, initial position, and initial velocity of every molecule.
(Water molecules move at over 1,000 mph on average in room-temperature water. So every molecule needs to be considered. There are about 1.5 sextillion molecules in a drop of water. So that is a lot of initial data to determine.)
 
Last edited:
Reply
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Frabjous
Google for “Laplace’s Demon”.
If classical mechanics applied at arbitrarily small scales, and we had unlimited computing power, and we had exact knowledge of all the initial conditions…. Then yes, we could predict the exact trajectory of every particle in a body of fluid. But we don’t have infinite computing power and even if we did classical mechanics doesn’t apply at sufficiently small scales and quantum mechanics says that there is no such thing as exact knowledge of the classical initial conditions.

So no, we cannot and never will be able to exactly predict the trajectories of quantum particles the way that Laplace was imagining.
 
Last edited:
Reply
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: EntropicThinker, FactChecker and PeterDonis
Nugatory said:
Google for “Laplace’s Demon”.
If classical mechanics applied at arbitrarily small scales, and we had unlimited computing power, and we had exact knowledge of all the initial conditions…. Then yes, we could predict the exact trajectory of every particle in a body of fluid. But we don’t have infinite computing power and even if we did classical mechanics doesn’t apply at sufficiently small scales and quantum mechanics says that there is no such thing as exact knowledge of the classical initial conditions.

So no, we cannot and never will be able to exactly predict the trajectories of quantum particles the way that Laplace was imagining.
Very insightful , thank you for your answer I appreciate it
 
Reply
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: berkeman