Understanding Reimann Sums: Interpreting Variables and Formulas

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The discussion revolves around understanding Riemann sums, specifically interpreting variables and formulas related to summation. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem presented in a homework question.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are discussing the sum of numbers between 1 and n, and how to express this in a condensed form. There is confusion regarding the starting point of summation indicated by the variable j, particularly when it starts at 41 instead of the more common 0 or 1.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the variables and formulas. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formula for the sum, and there is an attempt to clarify the implications of the starting point in the summation.

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Participants note that there are specific rules for the forum that may have affected their posts. There is also mention of confusion regarding the application of formulas that typically start from 1, in contrast to the current problem's setup starting from 41.

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I have a homework question which asks about Reimann sums (which I feel relatively comfortable with), but I just don't know what they're asking. Here's the image

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38457740/maff.bmp
 
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For the second one there, what is the sum of all numbers between 1 and n?
 
Thanks for the reply. Found out I'm not following at least a couple rules to the forum, but it wouldn't let me delete my post. :/

40, obviously, is my attempt at problem one, but that was with the help of a teacher (not sure if it's correct yet..)

To answer your question, wouldn't that just be the given part of the problem, condensed to (n^2-n)/2?
 
veegeedeejay said:
To answer your question, wouldn't that just be the given part of the problem, condensed to (n^2-n)/2?

Close, but not quite the right formula. The condensed form that they gave is ##\frac{n^2 + n}{2}##, is that what you meant?
 
Whoops, yeah I switched the sign.

Part of what's confusing me is the j=41 under each sigma, where I'm used to seeing 0 or 1. When the function is j or j^2, etc, does this mean that the start point is 41 and 41^2, respectively?

I'm not sure if this even helps me solve the problem, but I'm trying to get a grip on what every variable means here.
 
I think the main idea is : Sum from 1 to n -(sum from 41 to n )= ...
 
veegeedeejay said:
Whoops, yeah I switched the sign.

Part of what's confusing me is the j=41 under each sigma, where I'm used to seeing 0 or 1. When the function is j or j^2, etc, does this mean that the start point is 41 and 41^2, respectively?

I'm not sure if this even helps me solve the problem, but I'm trying to get a grip on what every variable means here.

These do start with 41 and 41^2 instead of 1 and 1^2, but the formula they have (the ##\frac{x(x+1)}{2}##) is for the sequence that starts with 1.

So that means that you can rewrite the formula given as a sigma notation from 1 to n and then simplify from there.
 

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