Understanding Resonance in Underdamped Forced Vibrations

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The discussion focuses on the conditions for resonance in underdamped forced vibrations, exploring the relationship between input frequency, natural frequency, and damping effects. Participants examine theoretical aspects and implications of resonance in both mechanical and electrical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the condition for resonance in underdamped forced vibrations.
  • Another participant suggests that a lack of negative feedback contributes to resonance.
  • There is a request for elaboration on the role of negative feedback in damping.
  • A participant explains that resonance occurs when the input frequency matches the natural frequency, leading to increasing oscillations, but real-world factors limit amplitude.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between undamped natural frequency and damped natural frequency, noting the relationship with the damping ratio.
  • A participant expresses interest in how maximum amplitude occurs when excitation frequency is less than natural frequency as damping ratio increases, drawing an analogy to electrical circuits.
  • There is a mention of the difference in resonance definition in electrical circuits, particularly in relation to current and voltage phase alignment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the conditions for resonance and the effects of damping, with no clear consensus on the implications of these factors in different systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical relationships and analogies between mechanical and electrical systems, but the discussion contains unresolved aspects regarding the precise conditions and definitions of resonance.

HimanshuM2376
What is the condition for resonance to occur in case of underdamped forced vibrations?
 
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lack of negative feedback
 
And the frequency of the vibrations = ______ ?
 
anorlunda said:
lack of negative feedback
Can you please elaborate?
 
HimanshuM2376 said:
Can you please elaborate?

Negative feedback causes damping. Less feedback, less damping. The tricky part comes with the phase relationship of the feedback. It is bet described with mathematics, data and graphics.

Try reading this article.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance
 
Resonance occurs when the input to a system occurs at a frequency that matches a natural frequency of the system. When this happens, the input continuously adds energy to the system, so oscillations get continuously larger. In a simplified mathematical model of an undamped system, the amplitude of the system output will go to infinity during resonance. In the real world, either system failure (for example a broken spring in a mechanical system), non-linearities (such as the spring stiffness changing as it flexes), or the presence of damping (such as friction in mechanical systems) will limit the resonant amplitude to some finite value.
 
SCP said:
Resonance occurs when the input to a system occurs at a frequency that matches a natural frequency of the system. When this happens, the input continuously adds energy to the system, so oscillations get continuously larger. In a simplified mathematical model of an undamped system, the amplitude of the system output will go to infinity during resonance. In the real world, either system failure (for example a broken spring in a mechanical system), non-linearities (such as the spring stiffness changing as it flexes), or the presence of damping (such as friction in mechanical systems) will limit the resonant amplitude to some finite value.
Thanks. What I want to know is that for an underdamped system undergoing forced vibration the maximum amplitude occurs when the excitation frequency is less than natural frequency when we increase the value of damping ratio.
 
That's correct. There is a distinction between the undamped natural frequency (##\omega _n##) and the damped natural frequency (##\omega _d##). In terms of language, when someone says "natural frequency", they usually mean ##\omega _n##. Damping is usually expressed in terms of the damping ratio, ##\zeta## (zeta). For an underdamped (##\zeta < 1##) linear system with 1 degree of freedom, the relationship between the two is ##\omega _d = \omega _n\sqrt{1-\zeta ^2}##. So as ##\zeta## increases toward 1, ##\omega _d## decreases toward 0.
 
HimanshuM2376 said:
Thanks. What I want to know is that for an underdamped system undergoing forced vibration the maximum amplitude occurs when the excitation frequency is less than natural frequency when we increase the value of damping ratio.
I believe this is equivalent to the electrical analogy of a parallel resonant circuit. Resonance is sometimes defined as the frequency when current and voltage are in-phase. But for the heavily damped parallel circuit, this frequency does not coincide with maximum amplitude.
 

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