Understanding Shock-Wave Propagation in Air: Impact and Observations Explained

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of shock waves in air, particularly focusing on how different types of explosives affect the characteristics of these waves. Participants explore the implications of varying detonation speeds and pressures on the behavior of shock waves over distance, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes that shock waves from two explosives with the same energy but different detonation speeds will evolve differently as they propagate through air, questioning whether they will become indistinguishable at a distance.
  • Another participant notes that a slower detonation produces a smaller shock wave and emphasizes that the direct damage is related to the jerk associated with the compressed gas ahead of the wave.
  • A later reply suggests that shock wave behavior far from the source depends on the pressure jump across the wave, which is proportional to the total energy released and inversely proportional to the distance, indicating that even slow energy releases can create a shock wave.
  • One participant references external sources discussing shock wave attenuation and its modeling in various materials, suggesting that shock fronts can attenuate as they propagate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how shock waves from different explosives behave over distance, with some suggesting they may become indistinguishable while others argue they will remain distinct based on their characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of shock wave evolution in air.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the medium and the specific conditions under which the shock waves are analyzed, as well as the dependence on definitions of shock wave characteristics.

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I was hoping to gain a general understanding of how shock-waves propagate a medium such as the air. Let me explain what I am curious about by stating an example I thought about.

Let's say we have two different explosives. Each explosive weighs the same, and contains the same total energy.

One of the explosives creates a very fast expansion and very high pressure. The second explosive is a bit slower; its shock-wave lasts longer but at a lower pressure than the first.

Up close, one of the explosives clearly leaves different effects on objects. Because of ones higher pressure, objects like metals may be deformed, while the lower pressure one could not do this the same. However, what about if at some distance away from both explosives, the shock-wave was observed that travels through a mild medium such as the air. Could the difference of these two waves still be seen, and all the way out until the complete wave was gone? At some distance do the waves both evolve and become the same, with equal length and pressure?

I believe that waves must all slow to reach the speed of sound in the given material after some distance. Since the speed of all waves becomes the same in a given medium, duration and height are only left to change with total distance propagated. My hypothesis is that only the height of the wave would decrease, because the wave duration changing would mean that a sound would change frequency at distance, but sounds do not change frequency unless effected by doppler effect. I would surely like to learn more on this topic. Thanks
 
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A shock wave from a detonation is by definition supersonic. It is clear that a slower detonation produces a smaller shock wave, and in the lower limit, you get a sub-sonic shock wave, such as from a deflagration.

If I recall correctly, the direct damage from a shock wave is caused by the jerk (or time-derivative of acceleration) associated with the highly-compressed gas traveling ahead of the supersonic wave. Thus I think it's all about speed of detonation on this one, and the two shock waves will remain different throughout their relative propagations.
 
ClydeH said:
I was hoping to gain a general understanding of how shock-waves propagate a medium such as the air. Let me explain what I am curious about by stating an example I thought about.

Let's say we have two different explosives. Each explosive weighs the same, and contains the same total energy.

One of the explosives creates a very fast expansion and very high pressure. The second explosive is a bit slower; its shock-wave lasts longer but at a lower pressure than the first.

Up close, one of the explosives clearly leaves different effects on objects. Because of ones higher pressure, objects like metals may be deformed, while the lower pressure one could not do this the same. However, what about if at some distance away from both explosives, the shock-wave was observed that travels through a mild medium such as the air. Could the difference of these two waves still be seen, and all the way out until the complete wave was gone? At some distance do the waves both evolve and become the same, with equal length and pressure?

I believe that waves must all slow to reach the speed of sound in the given material after some distance. Since the speed of all waves becomes the same in a given medium, duration and height are only left to change with total distance propagated. My hypothesis is that only the height of the wave would decrease, because the wave duration changing would mean that a sound would change frequency at distance, but sounds do not change frequency unless effected by doppler effect. I would surely like to learn more on this topic. Thanks
Shock fronts can attenuate as they propagate:

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4152320

And this has been modeled for propagation in viscous fluids:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1993EM&P...62..273O

For explosions:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNElefmK-IVU2nwgby81h_LV4SjdQQ&cad=rja

And viscoelastic materials:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNFjeKdNh8Y_hCYGODe5fe8wMns6QQ&cad=rja
 
Interestingly enough, the shock wave behavior far from the source is only dependent on the pressure jump across the wave (which I would imagine is proportional to the total energy released, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance, assuming a spherical wavefront). Even a very slow energy release, if of sufficient total energy, will create a shock, since the lagging waves will catch up to the leading waves until there is a single shock (and the gradient of pressure and other properties across the shock will not depend on how it was created).
 

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