Understanding Summation: S_X and S^2_X

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of sample variance and standard deviation, specifically the relationships between the summation of squared deviations and the summation of values. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of these statistical measures.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of certain mathematical identities related to summations, particularly whether the square root of a sum of squares equals the sum of the values. There is also a discussion about the definitions of sample variance and standard deviation.

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Some participants have provided counterexamples to challenge the original poster's assumptions, while others are clarifying the definitions of the statistical terms involved. The conversation is exploring different interpretations of the relationships between the formulas.

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There is mention of the need to divide by n-1 in the context of calculating sample variance, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the formulas. The discussion also includes a breakdown of the summation of squared deviations.

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Does

[itex]\displaystyle S^2_X = \sum^n_{i=1} (X_i - \overline{X})^2[/itex]

mean

[itex]\displaystyle S_X = \sum^n_{i=1} (X_i - \overline{X})[/itex] (X is a random variable here)

and is this true of summations in general?

i.e. does [itex]\sqrt{\sum X_i^2} = \sum X_i[/itex] ?

I thought it'd be [itex]\sqrt{\left( \sum X_i\right) ^2} = \sum X_i[/itex] ?
 
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NO, this is NOT true at all. It is NOT true that [tex](a+b)^2=a^2+b^2[/tex], which is basically what you're claiming...
 
Try a simple case with numbers. Does sqrt(a2+b2) = a + b? Put some numbers in and see what you think.
 
So this is just a special case where [itex]S_X[/itex] is defined to be the sample standard deviation and [itex]S_X^2[/itex] is the sample variance?
 
[itex]\displaystyle S_X = \sqrt{\sum^n_{i=1} (X_i - \overline{X})^2}\neq \sum^n_{i=1} (X_i - \overline{X})[/itex]
 
And I also have the feeling that you have to divide by n-1...

So

[tex]S_X^2=\frac{1}{n-1}\sum_{i=1}^n{(X_i-\overline{X})^2}[/tex]
 
You can do this:
[tex]\sum (X_i- \overline{X})^2= \sum (X_i^2- 2\overline{X}X_i+ \overline{X}^2)[/tex]
[tex]\sum X_i^2- 2\overline{X}\sum X_i+ \sum \overline X[/tex]

Now, here,
[tex]\overline{X}= \frac{1}{n}\sum X_i[/tex]
and, of course, since [itex]\overline{X}[/itex] is a constant,
[tex]\sum \overline{X}= \overline{X}\sum 1= n\overline{X}[/tex]

so
[tex]\sum (X_i- \overline{X})^2= \sum X_i^2- 2n \overline{X}^2+ n\overline{X}^2[/tex]
[tex]= \sum X_i^2- n\overline{X}^2[/tex]
 

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