Understanding the Color Effect of Sharpie Ink on Different Surfaces

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The discussion centers around the color effects observed when using a standard blue Sharpie pen on various surfaces, including matte white paper, black plastic, and glossy white paper. Participants explore the reasons behind the differing appearances of the ink under various lighting conditions and viewing angles.

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  • One participant notes that the blue ink appears blue on matte white paper but orange on black plastic, suggesting a need for explanation.
  • Another participant proposes that the color difference may be due to the frequencies of light reflected by different surfaces interacting with the ink.
  • A participant shares a link to a resource discussing specular colors, indicating a desire for further understanding.
  • Some participants suggest that the observed effects could be due to 'thin film interference' on flat surfaces, while others challenge this idea, proposing that absorption and reflection frequencies might be more relevant.
  • One participant questions whether Sharpie pens use pigment ink, suggesting that the interaction of ink particles with different surfaces could affect the drying process and color appearance.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the color effects, with some supporting the thin film interference explanation and others favoring the absorption and reflection frequency perspective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact cause of the observed phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention terms like "specular" and "thin film interference" without fully defining them, indicating potential gaps in understanding. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the underlying physics concepts.

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If I take a standard blue Sharpie pen and write on matte white paper, the ink appears blue as expected, as shown in (a) of the attached photo. If I write with this pen on black plastic, it appears orange (b) in incandescent, fluorescent or daylight illumination and for specular and non-specular viewing angles. How to explain this?

Another observation - If I use the pen to write on glossy white paper, the ink appears blue for non-specular and pinkish for specular. This is seen in (c) where part of the writing is viewed specularly.

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Thinking about this for the first time, I suppose it has something to do with the light that is reflected by the white surface under the ink. There will be different frequencies reflected off the white surface than the black surface. These different frequencies passing back through the ink will give the ink a different hue to the human eye.

I don't know what specular means and I am refraining from Google on this question so far.
 
I suspect that you are seeing a 'thin film interference' effect which is only seen on a very flat (not matt) surface. This link discusses what I mean. Does it seem familiar to what you have seen?
 
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I suspect that you are seeing a 'thin film interference' effect which is only seen on a very flat (not matt) surface. This link discusses what I mean. Does it seem familiar to what you have seen?
I don't think it's thin film interference, but rather the relation between absorption and reflection frequencies described in my link above.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I suspect that you are seeing a 'thin film interference' effect which is only seen on a very flat (not matt) surface. This link discusses what I mean. Does it seem familiar to what you have seen?

Then the colors would vary with angle, which they don't (other than the specular/non-specular observation). I quickly browsed through A.T.'s reference and it seems to explain the effect.
 
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Does a sharpie pen use pigment ink? In which case the different surfaces probably cause the particles or different types of particles if there is a mixture to be laid down in different ways as it dries.
 
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