Understanding the Contradiction: Point Charge near Grounded Conducting Sphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the apparent contradiction in the behavior of a point charge near a grounded conducting sphere, particularly focusing on the work done by the electric field and the potential energy associated with the configuration. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to electrostatics.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the work done by the electric field when moving a point charge from the surface of the sphere to infinity is infinite, while the potential energy at both the grounded surface and infinity is stated to be zero, raising questions about this contradiction.
  • One participant references a problem from Jackson's Electrodynamics to support their understanding of the situation.
  • Another participant explains that the grounded conducting sphere creates a "reflection" of the charge, leading to a potential of -infinity as the distance to the charge approaches zero.
  • A claim is made that the potential energy for a point charge near a grounded sphere can be expressed mathematically, indicating that it approaches -infinity as the distance between the charge and the sphere decreases.
  • There is mention of the imaginary charge theorem, suggesting that the selection of an imaginary charge is intended to maintain zero potential on the grounded sphere while also achieving zero potential at infinity, with the work done being infinite.
  • A participant expresses frustration over confusion between the potential on the grounded sphere and the potential energy of the configuration, indicating a breakdown in communication.
  • One participant seeks guidance on acquiring information about grounded conductors, indicating a desire for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between potential, potential energy, and the work done in this electrostatic configuration. There is no consensus on the resolution of the apparent contradiction, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of potential and potential energy, as well as the assumptions made regarding the behavior of the electric field and the configuration of charges.

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suppose we have a point charge q near the grounded conducting sphere.
we know that the work down by electric field of the sphere for taking the point charge from surface of the sphere to infinite is infinit. but the potential energy in the grounded surface and infinite is zero.
what is the reson for this contradiction?
 
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hokhani said:
suppose we have a point charge q near the grounded conducting sphere.
we know that the work down by electric field of the sphere for taking the point charge from surface of the sphere to infinite is infinit. but the potential energy in the grounded surface and infinite is zero.
what is the reson for this contradiction?

How do you know this?
 
it is the subject of one of the problems of jackson electrodynamics(problem5 chapter2)
 
nasu said:
How do you know this?
Because grounded conducting sphere creates a "reflection" of the charge, so the potential of a charge in contact with the sphere is -inf.

Potential at the surface of a neutral conducting sphere is zero. As soon as you place a charge in vicinity, it is no longer neutral, and the potential will depend on distance to the free charge. As that distance goes to zero, potential goes to -inf for the same reason as explained above.
 
"but the potential energy in the grounded surface and infinite is zero."
No. The potential energy for a point charge q a distance d from a grounded sphere of radius a is U=-aq^2/2(d-a). This --> -infty as
a-->d.
 
when we use the hmaginary charge theorem, we try select the imaginary charge so that the potential on the grounded conducting be zero as well as we take the potential equal to zero in the infinite. the work down by electric field for conveying the charge from infinite to surface is infinite.
is there anybody replying?
 
You are confusing the potential on a grounded sphere with the potential energy of the configuration. We're going to stop replying if you can't understand this.
 
how can i acquire information aboat the grounded conducting?
please guide me.
 

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