Understanding the Definition of a Photon: Debunking Common Misconceptions

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The discussion centers on the definition and nature of photons, exploring misconceptions about light, its behavior, and its interaction with matter. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, historical context, and the implications of wave-particle duality.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notion that light travels by displacing matter, suggesting this would imply energy loss and instability, and seeks clarification on how light can travel through a vacuum.
  • Another participant states that physics typically describes what something does rather than what it is, proposing that a photon is a massless particle that travels at the speed of light and interacts with charged particles.
  • A later reply echoes the sentiment that physics cannot definitively state what something is, suggesting a preference for using "usually" instead of "always" in such descriptions.
  • One participant asserts that the photon is a single particle in the particle model of light, discussing historical debates over the nature of light and referencing Young's double slit experiment as evidence of wave-particle duality.
  • This participant explains that electromagnetic waves consist of perpendicular electric and magnetic fields that propagate through a vacuum without requiring a medium, and questions the idea of photons displacing matter, noting that photons have no rest mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light and photons, with some emphasizing the particle model and others discussing the wave model. There is no consensus on the implications of these models or the interpretation of light's behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the historical context of light's nature and the implications of wave-particle duality, but there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and interpretations of these concepts.

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I have been told many different stories of what light is could someone clarify exactly what it is? At the moment i am being told it travels by displacing matter but doesn't this mean that it would lose energy and eventually die? I thought it was supposed to be stable. Also how does it travel through a vacuum where there is very little matter at all? I guess what i have been told isn't correct?
 
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As a rule: physics can't ever say what something *is*. It can only say what something *does*. However, we all like to have consistent mental models which does what the maths say, and a photon is one such model. A photon is just a particle, which is massless, travels at the speed of light, has spin 1, and interacts with electrons and other charged particles, as well as with itself but only weakly.
 
genneth said:
As a rule: physics can't ever say what something *is*. It can only say what something *does*.

I like that explanation better than all those people who complain about people using *why* in their questions. (except maybe for the 'can't' and 'only'--throw in a 'usually'?)
 
(Sorry rewebster and genneth, but I'm going to use "is" in this, because the easiest way to describe the photon model of light is to say "a photon is").

The photon is a single particle in the particle model for light.
Before quantum theory, and the concept of wave-particle duality, the nature of light was disputed. Some argued in favor of the particle model, others argued in favor of the light model.
Young's double slit experiment seemed to verify that light was a wave, until it was discovered that the same effects could be seen if light was let out very weakly (one photon at a time). The double slit experiment showed that light behaves occasionally as a particle (photon), and occasionally as a wave.
An electromagnetic wave consists of an electric field and a magnetic field perpendicular to one another. Moving electric charges create magnetism, while moving magnetic fields induce electric charges. They can travel across vacuum because it is self-propagating in this way (each field produces the other). It doesn't require a medium, because it is its own medium (hope that's accurate).
I don't know what your source means by "displacing matter." Photons have no rest mass (they do have mass proportional to their wave energy while moving).
 

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