Understanding the Formula for the Sum of a Geometric Series

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The discussion revolves around understanding the formula for the sum of a geometric series, particularly focusing on the differences in summation indices and the implications for the series' convergence. Participants are examining the formula a(1/(1-r)) and its variations, questioning the definitions of the first term and the common ratio.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring the correct formulation of the sum of a geometric series, questioning the roles of the first term and common ratio. There are discussions about the impact of starting the summation at different indices (n=0 vs. n=1) and how that affects the resulting sum.

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The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the formula and its application. Some participants are providing clarifications about the notation and the implications of different summation indices, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the original problem setup.

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There are references to specific values for the first term and common ratio, as well as discussions about the interval of convergence, indicating that participants are navigating through various aspects of the problem without reaching a definitive consensus.

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For the question, shouldn't the sum be a(1/1-r) since we know lrl < 1 then that rn → 0 as n → ∞? I just don't quite understand why they wrote the sum is a(r/1-r). Is there a specific reason they did this? This is just a regular geometric series right? Is there any difference since the sum starts at n = 1 instead of n =0?
 

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Isn't the first term, which you are calling ##a##, equal to ##r## in that sum?
 
LCKurtz said:
Isn't the first term, which you are calling ##a##, equal to ##r## in that sum?

Isn't ## a = \frac {1}{4}## and ##r = \frac{2}{e}##?
 
Also, for this question, should the interval of convergence be ## [3,3]##? Why exactly did they say ##(-1,1)##?
 

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MathewsMD said:
Isn't ## a = \frac {1}{4}## and ##r = \frac{2}{e}##?
No. a = 1/(2e)

Added: I'm talking about the first series in the image.
 
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MathewsMD said:
For the question, shouldn't the sum be a(1/1-r)
When you write fractions as text on a single line, you need to be careful about parentheses. 1/1-r means (1/1) - r, and not 1/(1 - r) as you intended.

You have it below, as well.
MathewsMD said:
since we know lrl < 1 then that rn → 0 as n → ∞? I just don't quite understand why they wrote the sum is a(r/1-r). Is there a specific reason they did this? This is just a regular geometric series right? Is there any difference since the sum starts at n = 1 instead of n =0?
 
MathewsMD said:
Isn't ## a = \frac {1}{4}## and ##r = \frac{2}{e}##?

In the picture where he has written ##\frac 1 4\sum_{k=1}^\infty r^k## the 1/4 is factored out and the remaining sum has ##a=r=\frac 2 e##.
 
MathewsMD said:
For the question, shouldn't the sum be a(1/1-r) since we know lrl < 1 then that rn → 0 as n → ∞? I just don't quite understand why they wrote the sum is a(r/1-r). Is there a specific reason they did this? This is just a regular geometric series right? Is there any difference since the sum starts at n = 1 instead of n =0?

Of course there is a difference! If you start the sum at ##n = 0## the first term is ##a##; if you start it at ##n = 1## the first term is ##ar##. The two sums differ by ##a##.

Anyway, they didn't write ##a(r/1-r) = ar - ar = 0##; they wrote ##ar/(1-r)##, where parentheses make all the difference in the world.
 
The sum (##\sum_k r^k##) is 1/(1-r) when the summation starts at 0. If it starts at 1, you can do this: $$\sum_{k=1}^\infty r^k =r\sum_{k=1}^\infty r^{k-1} =r\sum_{k=0}^\infty r^k.$$
 
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Fredrik said:
The sum (##\sum_k r^k##) is 1/(1-r) when the summation starts at 0. If it starts at 1, you can do this: $$\sum_{k=1}^\infty r^k =r\sum_{k=1}^\infty r^{k-1} =r\sum_{k=0}^\infty r^k.$$

So if it is instead ## ∑_{n=3}^∞r^n## then this equals ##∑_{n=0}^∞r^{n+3} = r^3∑_{n=0}^∞r^{n}## so then the sum is ##\frac{r^3}{1-r}## correct?
 
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MathewsMD said:
So if it is instead ## ∑_{n=3}^∞r^n## then this equals ##∑_{n=0}^∞r^{n+3} = r^3∑_{n=0}^∞r^{n}## so then the sum is ##\frac{r^3}{1-r}## correct?

Yes. This agrees with the formula ##\frac a {1-r}## since the first term, ##a##, in ##\sum_{n=0}^∞r^{n+3}## is ##r^3##, as is the first term in ##\sum_{n=3}^∞r^n##. It doesn't matter how you write it.
 

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