Understanding the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus in Calculus II

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) in solving integrals, specifically in the context of Calculus II problems. Participants explore the differentiation of integral functions and the use of anti-derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the FTC and suggests that the formula f(b) - f(a) is applicable.
  • Another participant proposes defining a function G(u) such that G'(u) = g(u) = √(2-u) and applies the FTC to derive f(x) = G(x^4) - G(-2).
  • Multiple participants discuss differentiating f(x) with respect to x, emphasizing the use of the chain rule.
  • One participant mentions using a substitution v = 2-u and provides a result involving (-2/3)(2 - x^4)^(3/2) + (2/3)(8).
  • Another participant suggests that substitutions or actual integration are unnecessary and provides a simplified derivative f'(x) = 4x^3√(2-x^4).
  • Discussion continues with attempts to solve a second problem, with one participant calculating 3x^2(sin(x^3) + sin(cos(x))sin(x)) and seeking confirmation on their approach.
  • Another participant acknowledges the calculation but notes a potential error in bracketing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the FTC and the differentiation process, but there are variations in approaches, particularly regarding the necessity of substitutions and integration. The discussion remains unresolved on the correctness of specific calculations and interpretations.

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Some participants' calculations involve assumptions about the functions and their derivatives, which may not be explicitly stated. There is also a lack of consensus on the need for substitutions in the differentiation process.

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Hey guys,

View attachment 2777I'm confused as to how these work. For instance, I'm assuming that the FTC must be used, where the formula used would be f(b)-f(a), correct?
If so, I got 4x^3 radical(2-x^4) -2 for the first one. The second one is 3x^2 (sin(x^3)) + sincosx * cosx.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Let's take a look at the first one:

$$f(x)=\int_{-2}^{x^4}\sqrt{2-u}\,du$$

Let's define a function:

$$G(u)$$ such that $$G'(u)=g(u)=\sqrt{2-u}$$

Now, by the anti-derivative form of the FTOC, we know:

$$f(x)=G\left(x^4\right)-G(-2)$$

Now, differentiate both sides with respect to $x$, making sure to use the chain rule where applicable. What do you get?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's take a look at the first one:

$$f(x)=\int_{-2}^{x^4}\sqrt{2-u}\,du$$

Let's define a function:

$$G(u)$$ such that $$G'(u)=g(u)=\sqrt{2-u}$$

Now, by the anti-derivative form of the FTOC, we know:

$$f(x)=G\left(x^4\right)-G(-2)$$

Now, differentiate both sides with respect to $x$, making sure to use the chain rule where applicable. What do you get?
I used v=2-u as the substitution and ended up getting (-2/3)(2- x^4 )^(3/2) + (2/3)(8)

Thanks.

Edit: Also, I got cos(cos(x)) - cos( x^3 ) for the second one.
 
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ardentmed said:
I used v=2-u as the substitution and ended up getting (-2/3)(2- x^4 )^(3/2) + (2/3)(8)

Thanks.

Edit: Also, I got cos(cos(x)) - cos( x^3 ) for the second one.

You shouldn't need to use any substitutions or actually integrate. Let's look at:

$$f(x)=G\left(x^4\right)-G(-2)$$

Now, differentiating with respect to $x$, we get:

$$f^{\prime}(x)=G^{\prime}\left(x^4\right)\left(x^4\right)^{\prime}-G^{\prime}(-2)(-2)^{\prime}$$

Now, using the fact that:

$$G^{\prime}(u)=g(u)=\sqrt{2-u}$$

we obtain (recalling the derivative of a constant is zero):

$$f^{\prime}(x)=\sqrt{2-x^4}\left(4x^3\right)-\sqrt{2-(-2)}(0)$$

Simplify:

$$f^{\prime}(x)=4x^3\sqrt{2-x^4}$$

Try the second problem in the same manner and post what you get. :D
 
MarkFL said:
You shouldn't need to use any substitutions or actually integrate. Let's look at:

$$f(x)=G\left(x^4\right)-G(-2)$$

Now, differentiating with respect to $x$, we get:

$$f^{\prime}(x)=G^{\prime}\left(x^4\right)\left(x^4\right)^{\prime}-G^{\prime}(-2)(-2)^{\prime}$$

Now, using the fact that:

$$G^{\prime}(u)=g(u)=\sqrt{2-u}$$

we obtain (recalling the derivative of a constant is zero):

$$f^{\prime}(x)=\sqrt{2-x^4}\left(4x^3\right)-\sqrt{2-(-2)}(0)$$

Simplify:

$$f^{\prime}(x)=4x^3\sqrt{2-x^4}$$

Try the second problem in the same manner and post what you get. :D

So 3x^2 (sin(x^3) + sin(cosx)sinx is what I computed for the second one after following your advice. Am I on the right track?

Thanks again.
 
ardentmed said:
So 3x^2 (sin(x^3) + sin(cosx)sinx is what I computed for the second one after following your advice. Am I on the right track?

Thanks again.

Good job! :D

I think you just have an extra bracketing symbol in there, but if you got:

$$g'(x)=3x^2\sin\left(x^3\right)+\sin(x)\sin\left(\cos(x)\right)$$

(which I think you did) then you are correct.
 

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