Understanding the Heat Equation and its Practical Applications

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The discussion revolves around the heat equation, specifically the interpretation of its components, particularly the second spatial derivative of temperature, \(\partial_{xx}u\). Participants explore its physical meaning, implications for heat flow, and the relationship between temperature distribution and time evolution. The scope includes theoretical understanding and practical applications of the heat equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the physical interpretation of \(\partial_{xx}u\) in the heat equation, noting it is not related to time-space acceleration.
  • Another participant clarifies that \(\partial_t u = \partial_{xx} u\) and explains that \(\partial_{xx}u\) represents the rate of change of the temperature gradient, indicating how heat accumulates at a point.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the second derivative, \(\partial_{xx}u\), relates to the convexity of the temperature distribution, suggesting that heat flows only if there is convexity in the spatial distribution of temperature.
  • Another participant connects the second derivative to the shape of the temperature distribution, questioning its implications for different functions like sine or quadratic equations.
  • One participant discusses the balance of heat flow into and out of a small element of material, leading to the derivation of the heat equation and introducing the concept of thermal diffusivity.
  • There is a minor correction regarding the description of temperature changes near a local maximum, with a participant pointing out a potential misunderstanding about temperature being "warmer" versus "cooler" in that context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of \(\partial_{xx}u\) and its implications. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain, particularly regarding the physical meaning of the second derivative and its relationship to temperature distribution and heat flow.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the physical interpretation of the second derivative and its implications for various mathematical functions. There are also unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which heat flows based on temperature distribution.

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given the heat equation \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}
what does \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} represent on a practical, physical level? I am confused because this is not time-space acceleration, but rather a temperature-spacial derivative.

thanks all!
 
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you're missing a time derivative,

\partial_tu=\partial_{xx}u.

We have the second partial of temperature in the spatial direction. One way to see this is, consider a local maximum in temperature in a spatial distribution of temp. Then all points nearby are warmer, so as time proceeds, the temp should increase. In other words, \partial_tu>0.

if you can understand this, i think you'll have a decent understanding of the idea behind the heat equation.
 
algebrat said:
you're missing a time derivative,

\partial_tu=\partial_{xx}u.
thanks! i definitely meant to put a t not x on the lhs

algebrat said:
We have the second partial of temperature in the spatial direction. One way to see this is, consider a local maximum in temperature in a spatial distribution of temp. Then all points nearby are warmer, so as time proceeds, the temp should increase.
as time proceeds...i meant what does \partial_{xx}u mean itself. i feel i don't understand this physical interpretation. i recognize \partial_{t}u represents how temp changes as we change time and \partial_{x}u is stating how temp changes if we change only the position, but holding time constant, what does the double partial \partial_{xx}u represnt?
 
The rate of heat flow along x is proportional to the temperature gradient along x, which is ##\partial_x u##.

##\partial_{xx} u## measures the rate of change of the temperature gradient along x, which is the rate at which heat "accumulates" at a point (because more heat is floiwing towards the point from one side than is flowing away from the other side).

The rate at which the heat "accumulates" also measures the rate of change of temperature at the point, or ##\partial_t u##.

So the differential equation for the system is ##\partial_t u = K \partial_{xx} u## for some constant ##K##, and if you measure length and time in suitable units, you can make ##K = 1##.
 
joshmccraney said:
thanks! i definitely meant to put a t not x on the lhsas time proceeds...i meant what does \partial_{xx}u mean itself. i feel i don't understand this physical interpretation. i recognize \partial_{t}u represents how temp changes as we change time and \partial_{x}u is stating how temp changes if we change only the position, but holding time constant, what does the double partial \partial_{xx}u represnt?

Convexity. Heat flows in a region only if there is convexity in the spatial distribution of temp. Convexity is the second derivative, or in this case, convexity in the spatial direction is the second partial with respect to x.
 
I would associate it with the shape of the distribution. It is the second derivative, so what does this mean for a sine function? A quadratic equation? A straight line?

Are you okay on what u_xx means as far as the shape of u(t,x)? And the shape I correlate strongly with the idea that spatial convexity in the temperature leads to heat, that is, a changing temp in time.

I'm not sure where exactly your question is, please let us know.
 
As alephzero points out, this is one of the (rate of flow in) minus (rate of flow out) equals (rate of accumulation) balances. The rate that heat is flowing in the x-direction (the heat flux q) is given by q(x)=-k\frac{\partial T}{\partial x}
If you consider a small element of the material lying along the the x-direction between x and x + Δx, then the rate of heat flow into the element at x is -k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_x; the rate of heat flow leaving the element at x + Δx is -k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_{x+\Delta x}. The rate of heat entering minus the rate of mass leaving is -k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_x+k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_{x+\Delta x}. This is equal to the rate of heat accumulation within the element. An expression for the rate of heat accumulation within the element is related to the rate at which the temperature is rising:

rate\ of\ accumulation=\Delta x \rho C_p\frac{\partial T}{\partial t}

where ρ is the material density and Cp is the heat capacity. If we set the rate of accumulation equal to the rate of heat flow in minus the rate of heat flow out, we obtain:
\Delta x \rho C_p\frac{\partial T}{\partial t}=-k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_x+k(\frac{\partial T}{\partial x})_{x+\Delta x}

Taking the limit as Δx approaches zero gives:

\frac{\partial T}{\partial t}=\kappa \frac{\partial^2 T}{\partial x^2}

where \kappa is called the thermal diffusivity.
 
algebrat said:
you're missing a time derivative,

One way to see this is, consider a local maximum in temperature in a spatial distribution of temp. Then all points nearby are warmer,

Nitpicking but you mean "cooler"?
 

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